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if thats what they are preached to from the far right then they are mostly comatose.
another BS story from them Canada's health care is far worse than ours,a nurse from Canada that lives here in the US says that is all lies and she was appalled by how much drugs these doctors here prescribe.
hey everybody if your representitive or senator is not for health care tell them they can be replaced.

I work in a hospital and I can tell you insurance makes 100% difference. Not to the nurses or health care workers, but what your treatment plan is, what tests are done, and how long you stay. McCain has had government health care most of his life. He's in bed with the insurance lobby! Just read his health plan.

What those idiots don't seem to realize is that all of the folks WITH insurance and/or who pay for their healthcare are paying for those who don't have it anyway.

So, bitch, complain, pay, and have a nice day.

It's a RIGHT. Silly to think otherwise.

Please go to www.healthcare-now.org to learn about the single payer health care bill that has already been introduced in the House of Representatives. The legislation has been written but our support is needed to get it enacted into law.

...good post.

I noticed a big difference when I stopped paying exorbitant premiums and was switched over to Medicare at 65 ½. The “care” dropped fast, like off a cliff lol (Kaiser). It isn’t everyone’s experience, but it sure is for a lot of us.

whats so bad about socialism anyway ?? is it too much to ask for the ones doing well to help the ones who aren't doin as well ?? i do believe in capitalism too .. if you own your own business and build a better mousetrap then you deserve the perks that that gives you .. but i think part of the privilege of doin business in this great country is to give somethin back .. if that upsets you then move someplace else and see how they treat you ?? like china ..
i think the measure of a great society is the way they treat the ones that are less fortunate .. if thats socialism then call me a socialist .. healthcare shouldn't be about gettin rich .. it should be about makin people better .. isn't that what jesus did ?? made people well ?? i'm not sayin any of us are ever gonna be jesus .. but we can do what we can to help others to fell better .. and not because they have a lot of money .. because it's the right thing to do .. yes we do need healthcare .. frenchy..

It's a right, just like police protection and firefighers are a right for all. Yes we pay for these rights, but surely we are civilized enough to give basic health care to everyone.

It sure isn't working now, not when you can pay for decades and then get dropped as soon as you really need it. And God help you if your job gets outsourced and your Cobra runs out. Then "pre-existing conditions" and astronomically high premiums and deductables will make it impossible to afford or even get insurance at any price.

A friend of mine died from cancer. He and his wife owned their home and a rental property free and clear but they were both retired living on SS mostly.

This family did not have insurance. He went to his doctor thinking he had a bad cold and was diagnosed with cancer. They told him they could treat him but when they wanted him to mortgage his home to pay for the treatment and then couldn't assure him the cancer wouldn't come back.

I took him to Atlanta for this doctor visit. His wife cried all the way home because he refused the treatment. He didn't want to leave her with nothing should the treatments not be successful. He died three weeks later.

No one should ever be asked to make this kind of decision.

As Peach relates, people forgo treatment to save money:

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The new research -- published in Health Affairs and led by two University of Oregon policy experts -- offers partial fuel to critics: Many Consumer-driven health plans (CDHP) enrollees were more likely to quit taking drugs that control high blood pressure and cholesterol-lowering medications than were participants with over medical coverage, said Jessica Greene, professor of health policy in the UO's department of planning, public policy and management.

"CDHPs seem to influence people because of the higher out-of-pocket costs, but not by making people more informed health-care consumers," Greene said. "We did not see more use of health information, higher generic drug use or more comparison shopping in terms of diagnostic tests as predicted by proponents. What we did see was that people were two to three times more likely to drop off drugs that treat certain chronic illnesses.

"By cutting back on antihypertensive and lipid-lowering drugs," she added, "there may end up being higher health-care costs in the long run, so these consumers may be making short-sighted, cost-saving decisions that may have higher-cost and unfortunate health ramifications."

The medications dropped by consumers are considered asymptomatic, meaning discontinuance doesn't spark a quick return of symptoms. Researchers also looked at claims involving symptomatic medications for three other chronic conditions -- asthma, depression and ulcers -- but did not see evidence that these drugs were being discontinued at higher rates in the CDHPs.