That is a wonderful idea Appleuhis, thank you
I think that's a great idea also, thanks!
Genesis 2:4b and 3:1-24
God created Adam and found him wanting. Enter Eve, formed from Adam’s rib, made of the same raw materials as he, and given the power to choose between good and evil?. In the creation story we find a strong, interdependent Eve, fully engaged with the world around her. She explored the Garden, dialogued with a serpent, decided on the forbidden fruit, and liked it enough to share the experience with Adam.
Eve was at first called Ishah, which means ‘woman’. Later she was called Eve, which means ‘life-bearer’.
Eve’s story reminds us that women can be both creative and destructive. She teaches us to weigh our choices carefully, tempering our desires with wisdom.
She is the mover and shaker, the active person. She explores the Garden, she meets and interrogates the snake, she makes a decision, then returns to Adam and makes suggestions for a course of action. People in ancient times saw women as active and inquiring, as shapers of society. Eve initiates change - was it a good thing, or bad? After all, if we had stayed in the Garden, we would have remained children forever.
What are your thought about Eve's personality?
Was the change initiated a good or a bad thing? No doubt a bad thing because the actions of both Adam and Eve were a contrary to the will of God. Yes, we would have remained "children" had their action not been taken, but isn't that what we are as Christians, the children of God? Isn't that what we strive to be? We strive to be the children of God by putting ourselves, in a sense, back into the Garden of Eden by becoming God's obedient servants and servants to others.
I see happily married couples and I see these couples with like or complimentary personalities. As Adam and Eve were essentially a married couple, they too probably had like, complimentary personalities. One comes up with something to do and the other compliments by saying; "Let's do it!" In the Bible Eve is presented as the one first tempted, however, Adam could have just as well said; "No, we better obey God." He didn't and that makes him as liable as Eve. No doubt Adam was of the complimentary mindset at the time saying; "Let's do it!" How I wish Eve might have said; "Maybe we better not." or Adam; "Let's not even think about doing that." Neither did and so here we are.
As Eve is described as being created from Adam's rib, it has been construed that she was meant to be at his side, not in front or behind him. I agree with that. I imagine both Adam and Eve with very similar, complimentary personalities, similar to happily married couples of current day. One was as adventurous as the other, both were equally loving and caring for the other. For the life of me I can't imagine Adam as a couch potato and Eve as the one picking all the food while Adam slept. I imagine them as having been a loving, happy, playful, curious couple. Unfortunately, their curiosity got the best of them and us in result. Like most children, they didn't know when or how to say "No!".
We can't hold what Adam and Eve did against them. We're all human and given the same situation, I think each of us would have done the same thing. We were all given the same gift and we all tend to misuse it, that's our gift of free will.
My favorite female Biblical character (besides Mary, Mother of Jesus) is Mary (of) Magdeline. She has been so misrepresented over the ages as having been a prostitute (a mischaracterization begun by Pope Gregory the Great in 591). I see her as the 13th Apostle having demonstrated more faith, bravery, and having been more of a presence than the other 12. She remained at Golgatha. She was also gifted to be the discover of the risen Christ.
How do you perceive her? Though her later life is not mentioned, how do you think she spent the rest of her life after the Resurrection?
Linda, There was a post on here once recently of Jesus when he was beaten and then put on the Cross. In the video, there was a woman they showed that you could tell she was upset, and in the end there were tears. Jesus kept looking at her and would get strength to stand back up. Was that Mary of Magdeline?
You know, I grew up in the Church, in the Choir, was on a Bible team, taught Vacation Bible School, etc. but with years of raising kids and working, I got away from all my facts.
I can honestly say I've been Blessed by this group as I'm re learning the teachings I had all those years. That video really got to me...it truly brought home the pain Jesus suffered for us.
posted by Katiee
over 2 years ago
Not changing the subject here but the other night, Don was channel surfing and came across Archie Bunker....you should hear his version of Adam and Eve....to him, Eve was the trouble maker and I laughed hearing him tell Meathead his version. But, then, again, Archie on that show is a bigot.
I watch it from time to time because my favorite one out of all of them is when Edith went through the change. Archie told her had 10 mins. to go through it.
posted by Katiee
over 2 years ago
Katiee, the wiping of thew face of Jesus with towels is the traditional one of Veronica. The event is not recorded in the Bible.
Adam was to guard the garden and his wife and he was with her when she partook of the fruit but he didn't stop her. To Adam it was counted as sin but not to Eve. Why? my opinion is because she was an innocent. and scripture says that she was deceived.
Satan stole her innocents (sp) as he continues to this day. Scripture says "" My people perish from lack of knowledge."" For the most part we follow what someone else tells us from tv or from the pulpit never considering that we have access to the same material and the command to check it out.
Hi tabathu...It is so good to see you!!!
In my opinion, it was counted as sin agaist Eve as well as Adam. They both hid from God and when he tossed them from paradise, He told them man would labor with his hands, etc and woman wuld suffer the pain of bearing children, etc. If she had been innocent and it not counted as sin, she would not have been punished.
Gen. 3:23-34
The Consequences
As a result of transgressing against the Lord, Adam and Eve lost it all. Here are the specifics of what they lost. Study these very carefully, as these consequences had implications for all humans to follow - including all Christians who are now living under the new covenant with Jesus!
1. Banishment From the Garden of Eden
The first thing that happens is that God tells the both of them that they will now be banished from this perfect garden. God also says that there was a second tree in this garden called the tree of life - and had they eaten from this tree, that they would have lived forever.
Since they flunked their test with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, they were not permitted to eat from this tree of life. The Bible says in Genesis 3:23:
"... therefore the Lord sent him out of the garden of Eden to till the ground from which he was taken."
The implication seems to be that had they passed their test with the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that they would have eventually been able to eat from the tree of life - and had they done so, they would have lived forever. They would have never known physical death.
This account with their first test then ends with Genesis 3:24 stating:
"So He drove out the man; and He placed cherubim at the east of the garden of Eden, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to guard the way to the tree of life."
Cherubim is one of God’s high-ranking angels. Adam and Eve had forever lost their one and only chance to eat from this tree of life and to live forever in this perfect God environment.
2. The Earth Is Now Cursed
In addition to banishing both of them out of this garden, God now pronounces a curse on them, their descendants, and on the earth in general.
God tells Eve that she will still be able to bear children, but that she will bear children in pain. The implication seems to be that had they passed this test, that Eve could have bore children without any pain. This part of the curse not only applied to her, but to all future women that would be born after her that would also have children.
God then tells Adam that he will have to work and sweat for his food. God tells Adam in Genesis 3:17-19:
"CURSED is the ground for your sake; in toil you shall eat of it all the days of your life ... in the sweat of your face you shall eat bread."
Adam and everyone to follow will now have to "toil" and "sweat" in order to put food on their table. This is why the world is set up where everyone has to work in some fashion. No work - no money. No money - no food.