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Spiritual Warriors

There are lots of ideas about what a “Spiritual Warrior” might be; but what prompted me to write this post was that yesterday at Travis Air Force Base I got into a conversation with a U.S. Army Chaplain about his role as a spiritual person being in the military. Spiritual people are often thought of as people who embrace peace and the military, for the most part, is about war.

I think that it is great that we have Priests, Rabbi’s, and Ministers who want to serve in the military; the guy I was talking to was a Major and a Catholic Priest and I wondered if there was any conflict in his conscience about being a military warrior and a priest?

He told me that someone needed to be there on the battlefield to bring a spiritual ministry to soldiers, keep their morals in tact, offer spiritual guidance, and give comfort and last rites when needed. He said he saw himself as a priest first and a soldier second.

Like I said I think its’ great that there are military chaplains, but what I was told was that some military chaplains are often in forward operating bases in a combat zone and they have the option to carry a firearm; some choose to while I’m told others wouldn’t under any circumstance, but the majority of chaplains are not directly involved in military combat..

We always hear talk about acting in a spiritual way; is this or that considered spiritual, etc. I do understand that Saint Peter, upon whom the Catholic Church was founded, was a Roman soldier. It may also be considered a test of a person’s faith to minister in the worst possible circumstances.

To be a prison chaplain for instance; ministering to murderers, rapist, child molesters, etc., I would think that would also be difficult. I was a medic in the U.S. Army and I am grateful that I did not have to take life, but I do understand being in a kill or be killed situation. If I had to kill someone; no matter what the circumstance; it would weigh heavy on my conscience for the rest of my life.

I used to work with combat veterans who had PTSD and a lot of it was about taking life or seeing life taken; even today in their 60’s and 70’s there are World War II and Vietnam vets who still have bad dreams about this. One guy I was counseling told me how he saw the faces of those whom he had killed 40 years ago in crowds of people today when he walked down the street. Some of it is due to self imposed guilt; as I had one Christian guy tell me that he thought he was going to hell because of the lives he took while serving in a military combat situation. He was much older now and simply could not forgive himself. Can you forgive yourself for things you did in your youth? Many can not, and imagine if among those things was the taking of human life. Yes, I do understand how we need to let go and let God.

When I was in the military people were being drafted, and I remember people who were “conscientious objectors,” many who were pacifist that had been drafted. When they were put in a combat situation they gave up their pacifism. In a kill or be killed situation what are you suppose to do?

I talked to a Buddhist monk about this once and was simply told that it was that person’s karma to be in the military; take life, and suffer from the experience of having taken life. I guess it was also the karma of some to die in battle. As I’ve stated many times here before in this group I think that the origins of war in this world stem from the battle which rages inside of us.

Whether it is domestic violence within the home, a fist fight in a schoolyard, or gang violence on the streets, in my opinion, these are all remnants of killing people on the battlefield in some military conflict. But I will also say that peace is much more than just the absence of war; still I wonder if a person can be at peace while participating in a war?

There is a Zen Buddhist koan which says: “Love is harmony, even in discord.” Its meaning requires meditation and thought.
EZ2's profile
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BE HERE NOW................and from this point of reference do what you can for self and others in peace and love.
I/we that are not in that situation cannot really say how we would react/react......why speculate?
i believe war exsists because we/she/he/they/us want to be in control and there is no such thing.
we humans have this built in 'fight or flight' thing...is that conducive to war?...i think that the word 'spiritual' is becoming over used...... as if spiritual is a state of being.
let us pray for all human beings faced with war that has been instituted in their lives.
gracebean's profile

over 2 years ago
When I begin my meditation, I think of some person or group to dedicate that particular session to--whatever good may come from it, let it go to them. Over and over I seem to readily settle on people, mostly children, caught in war.

Thanks for this great post EZ2. I suppose that those who minister to the military focus first on those they are serving, and there is a lot to serve in a military setting. As our understanding of the effects of war on soldiers (not to mention non-combatants) grows, we see more and more clearly the fall out from going in the wrong direction. It's always there, right in front of us. The right way to go. We get immediate feed back if we pay attention. Yes, this works, do that. No, that doesn't work, don't do that. Life is always showing the way.

The difficulty is, that while we may not be here to kill, we are certainly not here to BE killed either. One look at life on the physical level shows so many levels of defense built in. We are meant to survive. We are meant to defend ourselves. As life evolves to more and more complex levels, so does the complexity of deciding what price is to be paid for that survival and what we may properly identify as a threat to life. In the law (which at its best tries to see and copy what "natural law" is saying) self defense is a proper defense to a charge of murder, but whether or not it succeeds will depend on the exact facts of the case. [Have to run.]
agapejeff's profile

over 2 years ago
Jeff, I do think that our animal nature is at work here. We see violence in the animal kingdom but think that we are better, more evolved, than animals. Time and time again this has been proven to be false. As a species human beings are at a lot of different levels of perception and development, and I think what separates us from animals is that we have the ability to be proactive and transform ourselves while animals are primarily reactive.

Some people do have the luxury of ignoring violence; that is until they are confronted by it. A neighbor of mine went thru a home invasion. His kids were out front playing and when they came into the house two armed gunmen pushed their way into the house behind the kids. One gunman held my neighbor, his wife and kids at bay, while the other ransacked the house. Fortunately no one was hurt but they were definitely shaken up, and what I‘ve posted here are similar to what they were asking themselves; questions which they had never speculated upon previously.

I do view the term “spiritual” as a state of being just as I view hate as a state of being and love as a state of being; but I’m sure not everyone who uses the word “spiritual” views it that way. In my opinion the word “spiritual” does not come close to describing what spiritual actually is.

A lot of the people who believe in Jihad and who are out there killing other people think it is their “spiritual” duty to do such. During the Christian crusades many thought that their warring actions were “spiritual.” People view the term “spiritual” in lots of different ways, and just about every religion uses the word “spiritual” and each have a different meaning for how they use it. As I said there are many levels of perception.

BE HERE NOW is something that resonates with me but also what resonates with me is if we do not learn from the past we are bound to repeat it. I believe that war exists because of the “us” and “them” mentality; a tribal mentality which fragments the oneness of being into segmented labeled parts that designate nationality, race, religion, class, gender, ethnicity, political affiliations, etc. It is these classifications which pit people against each other, and these classifications are generally embraced out of insecurity. Generally people identify more with their demographic labels, which gives a fragmented view of life, than they do the cohesive whole of life, and I am guilty of this as well.
EZ2's profile

over 2 years ago
Very interesting and indepth discussion.
I agree with Gracebean let us pray for humans who are faced with war.
And yes Spiritual is a state of being/mind.
ANGELGIRL10's profile

over 2 years ago
I agree with GraceBean, very well said,
BELLAMAFIA's profile

over 2 years ago
A poem by a U.S. Army helicopter medic during the Vietnam War.

SYMPATHETIC JOURNEY:

Flying over country breathless in it’s beauty,
until you come on station and it’s time to do your duty!

Sometimes in the morning, a mission called routine,
meant dropping down through pea soup fog into triple canopy.

Or trying to save a baby, burnt by accident!
Will haunt you till the day you die, with a pain that won’t relent.

While it was reasonable to question what the war was about.
Our mission was quite simple… To get the wounded out!

Flying into hell’s fire without a moments pause,
Cause death was our enemy, and life was our cause.

You can feel your heart beating, behind your chicken vest,
knowing what it meant to hear: “Fire has been suppressed!”

Hovering under fire, offering all you have to give…
Your dreams, your hopes, your future.

So that others may live.


Side Note: “triple canopy” refers to leafy tree branches overlapped times three, and “chicken vest” refers to a bullet proof vest.
EZ2's profile

over 2 years ago
A SIMPLE PRAYER, by St. Francis of Assisi

Lord make me and instrument of thy peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love.
Where there is injury, let me sow pardon.
Where there is doubt, let me sow faith.
Where there is despair, let me sow hope.
O’ Divine Master, grant that
I may not so much seek
To be consoled as to console,
To be understood as to understand,
To be loved as to love.
For it is in giving that we receive.
It is in pardoning that we are pardoned.
It is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

Side Note: I think that the death which is referred to is one that takes place within our consciousness; after all it is a kingdom of conscience. In my humble opinion.
EZ2's profile

over 2 years ago
>the origins of war in this world stem from the battle which rages inside of us.<

>I believe that war exists because of the “us” and “them” mentality;<

Most religions have and continue to perpetrate this 'us' and 'them' mentality, making 'ok' to hate one another.

So true, EZ
good posts, much enjoyed reading them

over 2 years ago
The psychology of killing or hurting someone is to first reduce them to something that is less than human; during World War II we did not kill human beings rather we killed Nazi’s and Japs, and in Vietnam we killed gooks and Viet Cong. In our daily lives, generally speaking, when a person gets really upset and hateful towards another person that person often ceases to be a human being in the eyes of such hate; instead that person becomes a hurtful label which needs to be punished or destroyed. It is in labeling others that we separate ourselves from them, but in truth we are all inextricably connected and can never be separated. We are one and what we do to another we do to ourselves.
EZ2's profile

over 2 years ago
Loved your poem it made me sad too. Just such senseless killing and why we don't really know why???
I have nephews who have come home from Iraq with some really deep Psychological, mental problems and nightmares.
Here at home we don't realize it untill you hear (first hand) the atrocities that are going on in a far away land to other human beings.
And yes Ez2 the battlefield is here at home too the narco killings, gangs, senseless killing like the 4 officers gunned down in Washington. Everyday in our streetss the violence seems to escalate.
I just pray for our country and for all human beings we are all connected.
Maybe in the next world there will be peace!!
ANGELGIRL10's profile

over 2 years ago
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