I would guess that the groups were smallish unless multiple clans were fleeing some kind of natural disaster. We call it "The Out-of-Africa Migration" but the humans back then didn't call it that. Heck, they (probably in clan sized groups) just found a nicer spot further on and moved there. Thing is, a larger group can't successfully live off the same land for too long a time before resources get depleted and the group has to move on to exploit a different area. Instead of calling it a migration, maybe we ought to call it leap-frogging out of Africa!
posted by RBC66
over 2 years ago
The Aztecs must have been a fairly large nomadic group, migrating from the north. I have no idea how large, but must have been substantial to soon dominate the Toltecs.
I would bet on numbers even less than 60 , Yichel . It wasn't until man had mastered agriculture that he was able to live in large groups . Hunter-gatherer groups were probably 30-40 members . Anyoak , the reason the Aztecs settled in that lake was because the Toltecs and others dominated them , but that was a much later time than Yichel's time frame and agriculture was well established by then , so that the groups were much larger .
posted by Dirck
over 2 years ago
Aztects were a "very small group" red this 2 times but no numbers as nomads Yet thwy hd a characteristics they were ready for a fight their nomadic period lasted a touch more then 100 years.
My questuib cab a warlike nomadicgriup be very small?
Thr beduins trave in very small uits but had larger clan rlationships plus rgw beduins would many times make their camp on the edge od a town to tradw eat differebt foods et a cooking can.
posted by yichel
over 2 years ago
Australian Aborigines lived in small families of 20 - 30. Families included cousins, in laws, nieces and nephews. Each 'family' was continually on the move so as not to overstretch their resources in any one spot, however they did have a geographical area where other families didn't encroach. For instance, the local group that lived around here traditionally was bounded on the north by Lake Macquarie, to the west by the Watagan hills and to the south by the Hawkesbury River. This is quite a large area for a small group of people so it might take several years for them to make a 'loop' around their own 'country'.
When it came time for a young male to 'marry' they always chose a member from another geographical district. They would gather themselves facing each other from perhaps 100 yards distant across an unwritten but well understood boundary and might sit without saying a word for hours on end. An elder would eventually put himself forth for negotiations. Ultimately a bride would be obtained who would then live with her new husbands' family.
Because it might take 6 or 7 years for a family to complete a circuit the white fella would come in, chop down a few trees and try to raise some sheep. Aborigines looked upon these strange animals as a food source so would kill and butcher a sheep to eat. The farmer would get pissed off, shoot a native and think the matter was over. However memories are long. 6 or 7 years after Aborigines might take their revenge and kill a settler. One can see how things escalated out of control much to the Aborigines disadvantage.
Might the Neanderthalls' have settled into a similar lifestyle but had to cope with a changing climate as well as Cro Magnons' superior weapons?
posted by JwB58
over 2 years ago
If you look at more modern day humans prior to European exploration, then I believe that Native American or yes Australian Aboriginies are a good example. A tribe........enough people to hunt and yet not destroy the environment. Moving to summer and winter locations for sanitary as well as hunting/migaratory reasons. I doubt that ancient man was much different. Why would they be? I really do not think mankind changed much until he became "civilized" and it was every man for himself so to speak.
Aztecs hit mecico city or t__ in 1325
posted by yichel
over 2 years ago
My grandmother was from Norway. Her father was Norwegian but her mother Lapp (Saami). The did not have a country but followed the reindeer herds through Norway, Denmark, Finland and Northern Russia. This was a group of people who formed clans and were nomadic for centuries in an extremely harsh climate.
Probably you meant Sweden instead of Denmark , Gramma . No Laplanders in Denmark , they travel in that northern band across Norway , Sweden, Finland and Russia .
posted by Dirck
over 2 years ago
I saw this great movie Lapp (Saami. and the range they travelled they are way up there and the seemed to not just follow the raindeer but to steward them.yes they cut across boundaries they actally mofernized one oint of the ripp where the ferd was hededd onto a barge to get across the wid expance of water, I did wonder what might have happened if they tried to cross without rge assisstance?
posted by yichel
over 2 years ago