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"As a collection of half-truths and exaggerations, I am tempted to describe Tipler’s new book The Physics of Christianity as nonsense – but that would be unfair to the concept of nonsense…

Tipler, for example, claims that the standard model of particle physics is complete and exact. It isn’t. He claims that we have a clear and consistent theory of quantum gravity. We don’t. He claims that the universe must recollapse. It doesn’t have to, and all evidence thus far suggests that it won’t. He argues that we understand the nature of dark energy. We don’t. He argues that we know why there is more matter than antimatter in the universe. We don’t. I could go on, but you get the point…

The Physics of Christianity argues that the resurrection of Jesus occurred when the atoms in his body spontaneously decayed into neutrinos and antineutrinos, which later converted back into atoms to reconstitute him." view link

Crap.

Consider the entire discussion obsolete. Now, as we await confirmation of organic life on Gliese 581d, we have to face the fact that civilizations far in advance of our own exist and they might not be that far away. I compare our current situation to that of a little kid who grew up in a room with bit a single window. Everything he knows about himself and the world around him is based on what he sees through that window. Some of his conclusions might be correct. Others might be hilariously wrong. The only way he knows the truth is to leave that room and join the world.

The door to the greater Cosmos beyond Earth has begun opening. Are we ready?

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LLL, I have deleted your above post because it was a lengthy copy and paste which is against the policy of this group.
Gentlemen, I hope we can keep this conversation civil and stop personal attacks.

LLL's post was a copy of the following review by Martin Gardener
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Baxtor, you of all people know better than to make a post like that in my group. Aside from the fact that I do not tolerate name-calling, even disguised as bitter sarcasm, your remarks simply devolved into argumentum ad hominum, which hardly furthered your cause.

Repost your thoughts, if you wish, without the personal attack.

The Strange Case of Frank Jennings Tipler, Martin Gardner, Book Review, Volume 32.2, March / April 2008. view link

The review provides undeniable conclusion that it’s true -- even a scientist (simplified version of theoretical physicist) can be a fool. In this case he is not only an accomplished scientist, he is superstitious.

The problem with his book The Physics of Christianity, he looks for an explanation of God in Quantum Mechanics. The Standard Model can not explain the theory of relativity let alone predict the resurrection of Jesus Christ as Jennings’s claims. The Standard Model is an equation that force fits the mathematics to be able to extrapolate measured atomic particle experimental results in the laboratory, nothing more.

Despite every peer review laughing at his work, we have creationists claim for the last year Jennings’ book is “truly one of the most substantive policy books I've read.

Remind you of what Rush Limbaugh said of Sarah Palin’s book, Going Rogue?

The problem is there is no policy in either book...just bad memory and contrived truths – neither one of these books stands up to peer examination.

This is nothing more...than more creationism.

"Tipler has no doubts about the genuineness of the Shroud. Two microphotographs of the blood are introduced, and Tipler claims that its DNA is consistent with Mary’s virginity.

So if the 'non-virginal DNA' from the ovum of a non-virgin is joined with 'non virginal DNA' from the sperm of another non-virgin to produce a presumed virginal zygote, where does this zygote's 'virginal' DNA come from? Is that what wafts from the thurible?

How does a 'microphotograph' of supposed blood components reveal the tell all sequencing bands of unwound 'virginal' DNA, being that these bands are normally only viewed after amplification with toxic chemicals and radiation then laid out like road lines in a special medium.

The supposed AB blood type detected apparently didn't appear before the year AD 700. It is most commonly associated with the Japanese and few others.

I think GR allows for the future to affect the past, but that's only if the end 'cuts' of space time were linked, such as a mobius. Since time has directionality, (can I then say motion?) this loop of space-time must be 'rotating' and rotation creates centrifugal forces--think a figure skaters skirt twirling away from her body during a spin--Therefore, I don't think our supposed universe (of multiverses), having angular momentum, has the ability to collapse. There is not enough mass to create the fictitious force needed to override the conventionally accepted FLRW expanding model, let alone a rotating looped universe. The only thing I can imagine to get us back to 'singularity' is something applying centripetal force, and that can only be God, standing outside our universe, squishing all edges inward. We should know when this happens; Since angular momentum is conserved, time should speed up, like a figure skater who bringing her arms in to her body spins faster. I realize time is relative, and there's a bit of a paradox in viewing this acceleration in time, but I figure by then we should know how to make contact with God who could then confirm this event for us.

...Sorry, tj and LLL. I just needed to work my way through the epistemology of "crap" lol

Ya gotta love a woman who uses the word 'thurible'.

The book and the title....sounds like a learned example of an oxymoron to me.