Message 21 of 1446

Letting Go

I'm usually just a reader of the messages in this group, and I've posted once before. I can say that I've progressed a whole lot since then, in both my studies and general understanding of the fundamental concepts of Buddhism. I've even come to develop a few of my own. I keep getting hung up on one thing though.

In the Dhammapada itself, Buddha tells us "Therefore, I will not be attached to these ties and I will cast them away as I would a snake in my lap." I cannot help but wonder at these words. What do they mean? In my pondering I have found come to think that we are all connected, somehow, from one point or another in one of our past lives. We're all in this journey together, and some of the connections are stronger than others- there is no way that I cannot feel this.

Could he be saying to rid ourselves of relationships and love altogether? There has to be more meaning than that. It's constantly implied to avoid sexual and emotional relationships. I find this somewhat confusing.

Does he mean for us to rid ourselves of the fear of loss and betrayal? I can only come to this conclusion. In love, when you fear of losing someone, you begin to be protective. In being this you may discover or even imagine betrayal. Jealousy roots itself, anger begins, tears are shed. This is suffering, life is suffering, and love is part of life. But "To be without sores is more pleasurable still."

The only way I can interpret this is this: Destroy any fear you have. It is the evil soil in which suffering multiplies in. Whether these things are going to happen is not influenced by your worry. It is the nature of life to lose, but rather than thinking of the future, think of the moment you have, there, the present. Think of the joy it helps you find within yourself, the discovery, the understanding you gain. Love, sex within that love, attachment- these all will be gone someday. And when they are gone, do not mourn. Remember the good and the lessons you have taught yourself in doing them. As long as these things are done with the Eightfold Path in mind, there is only gain.

I've met someone recently, and it's almost as if we mirror each other, even to the eye. Our pasts are nearly the same, broken family, aspirations, even our college major. Since then I've devoted a lot of my sitting to thinking about what love really is and how it connects to my studies. I can honestly say that I believe that my responsibility as a person is to make the world better for other people. This is one of the first things she said to me, without prompt or knowledge of my study of Buddhism. She is not a Buddhist herself, but this struck me, and drew us together.

I believe that it is inevitable that some relationships that we have will be stronger than others, and some may even last until death, though that is rarely the case. When they do, it is a very joyous thing to have. The only suffering they cause is the fear and sadness we allow ourselves to feel. Trust me, trust you, trust everyone. That's all I have been able to see from this. Any thoughts from anyone?
FrederickJames's profile
Good to see you again, Frederick.

The concept of attachment is truly fundamental to Buddhist thought. It is a rocky road for all of us yearning, wanting, longing, impermanent beings. We want 'stuff', we want people, we want to belong, we want everything to stay the same. We become attached to these wants.

Could he be saying to rid ourselves of relationships and love altogether? Here you have hit on the very crux of the matter. It is not the 'having' of relationships and love, it is our being attached not only to the 'having' of these things, but being attached<> to the 'desiring' to have these things.

Just as the rose in the garden does not yearn after the sun, nor for other roses to keep it company, but accepts what comes each in its own season, so, too, we are to accept what comes and goes in our lives.

If you find yourself fortunate to have a satisfying relationship -- family, friend, lover -- we are to simply accept that, and express our gratitude into the universe for that. We are not to become attached to that relationship. Things in this life change, are mutable. Nothing is permanence. When and if the season for that relationship is over, we are to let it go without grief or remorse, as the rose watches day turn to night, sun turn to rain.

Our 'job' according to Buddha, is to prepare ourselves for Enlightenment. Anything that hinders us in this pursuit, like relationships, (our 'ties') is to be cast aside.

How can you determine your level of attachment? Ask yourself if it will matter in the least if you don't have it. If your answer is 'yes', it's back to the pondering and the sitting. You cannot reach Enlightenment, or Nirvana, or Heaven, if you are tied to the things of this impermanent world, planet, life.

The point of the begging bowl is symbolic of the Seeker's non-attachment to even food in this life. The Seeker simply trusts that food 'will happen'.

And so love, relationships, things, 'will happen' or they won't. Yearning and desiring and chasing after them won't get you to Enlightenment.

MartiInMexico's profile

21 days ago
I wanted to break up my thoughts into more chewable chunks.

In this response let me tackle this: we are all connected, somehow, from one point or another in one of our past lives. We're all in this journey together, and some of the connections are stronger than others

Oh, yes. This connection of us all is another fundamental belief. But not the connection which I sense you are thinking of, individual to individual. It is the notion that we are all part of The One. People, dogs, rocks, cockroaches, trees, clouds, planets, molecules .... we all form The One. Think Borg, not Kate and Leopold.

We all vibrate on the same frequency, all of us mountain lions, meteorites, molecules, men, but it is our desires and yearnings that get in the way of our being able to sense that Oneness. It takes a lot of living, and a lot of pondering, to realize that none of it matters.

That is why evil and negative things occur. People are attached to certain ideas of theirs, are attached to certain outcomes and results, and start manipulating situations and people in order to force that outcome they are attached to. They lose sight of the autonomy of the others in the world, and impinge on their lives and activities. Hence the need for the admonitions of the Eight Fold Path.

Not all Buddhists believe in the concept of Karma, nor in the concept of past lives. You must make up your own mind on these issues. If you believe in past lives, then you can feel that these instant positive connections and instand repulsions we sometimes feel when meeting someone are from our past live connections.

If you do not believe in past lives, you will understand that these feelings of connectedness are simply stronger variations of that Universal thrum, the humming of the cosmos.
MartiInMexico's profile

21 days ago
My final rambling here.

Destroy any fear you have. It is the evil soil in which suffering multiplies in.

Fear is not the soil, it is the rank plant that grows in the evil soil of desire and attachment.

We do not 'destroy' fear in the manner of a warrior attacking the evil enemy by slashing off its head with our mighty sword. Rather, we erode it by working on losing our desires for things, situations, people, and our attachments to the outcome for these things.

Desire is the enemy. It is the cause of all suffering.
MartiInMexico's profile

20 days ago
Thank you. I'll devote some time to sitting on that.
FrederickJames's profile

20 days ago
Having come from a broken family also, I can relate to the confusion about loving relationships and the desire to find someone to love. I disagree that desire is an enemy, yet I do understand what Marti says about being willing to let go.
I take what I find works for me from many spiritual paths, and I am not as familiar with Buddhism as others here may be, so what I have to offer is just my personal viewpoint.

I think you are mostly right when you say about worrying "Whether these things are going to happen is not influenced by your worry. It is the nature of life to lose, but rather than thinking of the future, think of the moment you have, there, the present. Think of the joy it helps you find within yourself, the discovery, the understanding you gain."

We do all experience loss in living our lives, and we do grieve when that happens. However, I do think that worrying can change the outcome of things. If I am always worried about what might happen, in fact that jealousy and fear brought on by dwelling on it CAN cause me to act in ways that could alienate the beloved.

To love is to accept the beloved as they are, without trying to change them to satisfy my desire for how I wish them to be. Accepting their love with gratitude and allowing them to offer it. When we love each other, of course we naturally tend to do things to please one another. Yet if we begin to expect the other to be a certain way, we may be disappointed, and our suffering is caused by trying to make someone else responsible for our feelings. No one person can be everything to another person. In a personal love relationship, it's good to sit down with yourself and prioritize the things that are most important to you in THAT relationship. There will also be differences, things that are important to one but not to the other ...each of you must allow the other to have other people in your lives who are able to support you in those ways and be willing to spend time apart also. As we were discussing over in the psychology group, it's possible and preferable to be involved with someone without being addicted to them :)
BarbInBend's profile

20 days ago