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True, I would not like this present to become what our parents had in the past, except after WW II…

yichel...a right to work state means that the employer -employee relationship is "at will" the translation of that is that the employer may terminate the relationship for any reason whatsoever...whether it is por performance, to gice the job to a new son-in-law, to hire someone cheaper or even because it is tuesday

That At Will cause is the real kicker it a Right To Work law state…

Yes, you have the right to a job (Right to Work law)…And I have the right to terminate that employment ant any time for any reason (At Will cause)…

Thats exactly right amond. The right to work laws benefit the company, not the employee.

I know I will hear from the right wingers lol...but facts are that most unions have been beneficial to both companies and employees.

Hell with the right wingers LLL, you'll hear it from me too. they haven't. not in the last 30 to 40 years. Get out of the 30's man.

But arguing unions is futile. pro-union will never see the true colors of unions and anti-union people will never concede that unions are worth a rat's ass anymore.

How about our So. Cal weather...great for November. What's up for your Thanksgiving? me and the Mrs. are going to Laughlin....don't want to have to choose which of the 3 kid's houses to go to.

Plus they have slot machines in Laughlin.

the union issue may be an ebb and flow situation. I have been a member of the National Maritime Union and was proud of it's record. lolly says it best in that good companies have no need of unions but bad ones make them necessary. todays worker would not believe the working conditions in the 30's.

It's when unions lie to get into good companies that cause the problems. then they have to justify the dues their members are forced to pay(or they can't work) by raping the company by forcing them to make concessions to the unions and deplete their profits.

Then they move overseas.

Thank you very much.

How To Remove Incentives to Ship Jobs Overseas

Taxes: Current law allows companies to defer paying taxes on their overseas income indefinitely while deducting many of the expenses associated with moving offshore – this provides a double subsidy to U.S. companies that ship work overseas, effectively penalizing those companies that keep jobs in the U.S. Ending overseas tax breaks would generate an additional $7 to 12 billion a year in tax revenue and eliminate the perverse incentive to move work abroad to avoid paying taxes.

Public Contracts and Subsidies: Many companies that ship work overseas receive billions of dollars worth of government procurement contracts, subsidies and state and local tax abatements. These taxpayer-financed benefits usually come with very few strings attached, allowing companies to skim additional profits by performing publicly funded work overseas. Laws at the local, state and federal level should be reformed to ensure our taxpayer dollars are not subsidizing the destruction of American jobs.

Currency: A number of U.S. trading partners – China in particular – manipulate the value of their currency relative to the dollar to give their exports to the U.S. an artificial cost advantage, while making American products more expensive. This puts American producers and workers at an impossible cost disadvantage, effectively shutting them out of export markets and undermining their competitiveness at home. The U.S. must take immediate and aggressive action to ensure that the dollar is appropriately valued and withdraw trade benefits from countries that insist on manipulating their currency to unfair advantage, in violation of international trade rules.

Trade Laws: Domestic trade laws enable the government to redress unfair trade practices that give an illegitimate advantage to overseas production. These laws were intended to provide the first line of defense for American producers and workers, yet they are very poorly enforced. The World Trade Organization has weakened our ability to use these laws, and on-going trade negotiations may undermine these laws even further. We must vigorously enforce our domestic trade laws, defend them from challenge, and work to strengthen them in the future.

Trade Agreements: Trade deals such as the North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA) create new rights, but no responsibilities, for companies that ship jobs overseas. NAFTA contains strong legal protections for companies investing abroad and guaranteed access for their products into the U.S. market. But NAFTA provides no comparable protections for the rights of workers and the environment, allowing companies to escape their international obligations by shipping work overseas. We must fundamentally reform flawed trade rules to hold companies accountable for respecting workers’ rights no matter where they produce.

there are low paying jobs . . . I've had them for the past decade. In fact, since 1998, my average annual gross has been less than $14,000. With the exception of three months in 2004, I have worked two jobs simultaneously. During a part of 2001, I worked three.