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** Anyone else feel like a rat in a trap? ** said LLL.

Actually I felt like a rat in a maze. Just as soon as we learned the rules, they changed them.

** If you also took good care of your employees and did not violate any labor laws how would you feel about a union trying to come in nd force you to pay more and give more benefits and take away your right to hire and fire as you see fit? **

Pancho, sweetie, if you are an employer who is taking good care (wages and benefits) of their employees, not violating any labor laws (overtime rules, mandated breaks, etc.), there is no way a union is going to get a toehold in your shop.

change is constant

even in Rightto work states you need to fire a person that does not inclfde the resson of age or race.
regardin Ron Paul I tought he was crazy butalso thought he was the only candidate who spoke honestly about the economic condition of the country and was willing to let he markt decide.
P.S. the government since 1798 has never let the market decide they always had a hand . I have a timeline of government interventions made for my kids.
did fDR prolong the depression? well its a new version of history to me it matters not. it was the war that got us out no matter what woul have happened. I also have this beief that the programs like the CCC were to get young people away from the city, work them so they dead tired, pay them a little. Otherwise to have young men unemployed in large groups in a city could have caused a lot of trouble back then.

Yep, FDR did prolong the great depression and also set free some thinking that still haunts us. the three and four generation wellfare families would have been impossiable before FDR. what was meant as help destroyed the family structures of many poor people. the Government became the daddy so the daddy wasn't needed.

Two UCLA professors published a little-noticed report in 2004 claiming the New Deal's government intervention prolonged the Great Depression. But that assertion has been subsequently eviscerated by, ya know, actual data.

Ever since the "center-right nation" meme started looking idiotic and ever since fringe-right-wing bloviator Amity Shlaes published her since-discredited book claiming FDR essentially created the Great Depression
the conservative talking point du jour has been, "w e l l . . . then FDR prolonged the Great Depression."

Then the idiots started the "FDR ruined the country" meme with the very authoritative-sounding statement that "based on all kinds of studies and academic work done on the great depression" she knows that the New Deal's "massive government intervention prolonged the Great Depression."

Of course, she doesn't offer up a single study or "academic work" as any kind of proof but continues to claim "it's in the books" - whatever the hell that means.

Indeed, Dragon wants us to believe that what was only very recently the deranged propaganda of a handful of conservative political pundits is now such a consensus opinion among historians -- is to evoke laughter.

Lolly, I worked for a good company that was on the up and up a to labor laws, benefits and wages.

The Teamsters wanted to come in and were making promises of what they woo do for the employees if only they were allowed to represent the employees.

The thing is this, the Teamsters could promise anything in order to win the vote, but nothing would be binding until AFTER representation was awarded to the Teamsters.

We knew the promises could not be kept but were not allowed to dispute their claims or we would be in violation of NLRB rules regarding unionization.

We finally, fortunately, chased the Teamsters out of our area. Somehow a rumor got started that said in order to afford what the Teamsters promised, the company would have to cease some existing benefits and eliminate some positions. Those that wanted the union were overpowered by those that thought the company was being more than fair with their treatment of the employees.

That was sort of my point, Pancho. If you are a good, fair employer you won't get a union vote to walk in your plant.

Bad management makes for good unions, not the other way around.

It was really down to the wire in our circumstance, if the union had come in we simply would have shut down rather than have our business dictated to us by any union.

Would have re-organized and rehired those that were not in support of the union.

Are we talking about yesterday or today‘s depression?

unemployment went past 10% and the market is diving...

I am only concerned with the present. The past, while interesting, is a history lesson.