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Heath Care "Reform" Analogy.....

This is my take on this, based on reviewing several versions of a few bills, several non-front runner bills, CBO evalutions, and Census Bureau projections, almost all of which have been posted by me or others in here.....

Agree or disagree - that is your right and I strongly defend that - just be nice is all.....

Analogy:

I have 100 people that need a pizza every day.....I have 100 pizzas every day.....I have 25 servers at $10/hour every day.....oh there may be a minor fluctuation here or there from time to time but generally speaking it is consistent.....

Now I "reform" the system.....

I add 36 people to the number wanting pizzas every day, but takes me some time to do that, say 10 years.....I reduce the number of pizzas from 100 to 70 every day.....over 10 years.....I reduce the wages of the servers by $1.5, also spread over 10 years.....

I now have more people wanting the fewer pizzas, with fewer and less qualified servers (all the good ones left to work for Pizza Hut).....

But I am popular and believeable, so I tell you in the beginning and reassure you along the way that you will see no reduction in pizzas.....no sacrifice of quality.....no delays in getting your pizza.....

If that happened for real we would be up in arms about it.....but this health care so-called reform is - in my opinion - about to do exactly this.....
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Hersh, I don't get your analogy.
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posted by merlinsflame
about 1 month ago
Merlin, it comes down to this.....

J number of people wanting pizzas.....
K number of pizzas.....
L number of servers.....

J+K+L=Z

Hence, when J+K+L changes, it still equals Z, but now Z is a completely different number.....

J is now +36
K is now -30
L is now -5

Therefore the algebraic equation is different in terms of outcome.....

not any longer a J+K+L=0.....

Now a J+K+L= who knows what?

Merlin, to know me, you must know numbers.....
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posted by hershman
about 1 month ago
The problem hershman isn't that there is 100 pizzas for 100 people who want them - it is there are 100 pizzas being sold by brokers and only 60 - 70 people can get past the doormen at the brokers office because some can't afford the fee the broker is requiring to get to the pizza and others can afford the fee, but the brokers don't want to let through for some other reason.
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posted by mshadow22
about 1 month ago
And just in case there is a shortage of pizza - the free market solution is to make more pizza. More pizza will reduce the price or the maker will allow the shortage to continue to create an artificial price hike as it will be deemed more valuable.
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posted by mshadow22
about 1 month ago
MS.....there are NO brokers.....other than as dictated by Congress.......

Keeping the equasion the same as before.....

The free market equasion, you are correct, is make more pizza, but the Government has driven that out of business since they have "no profit concern" and therefore offer significantly lower prices.....therefore, Pizza Hut, who had hired away the experienced pizza people, now lays them off because they are out of business locally..../.the Gov't rehires them at $8/hour.....

Dire example to be sure.....very 1984-ish to be sure.....but given the existing health care so-called reforms, beyond potential?
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posted by hershman
about 1 month ago
The current health care reform adds regulation to the industry, which is already regulated. It does not put the government in charge of health care, nor control physicians and hospitals. The government doesn't control pricing either, as it's negotiation between insurance companies and health care practitioners that sets prices and health care professionals are free to charge the uninsured any dollar amount they choose. Insurance companies set their contract negotiations on Medicare rates plus a certain percentage. Insurance companies base their premiums to customers on the size of the company and the age/health of it's employees. The public option in the current reform is based on negotiated prices not government set prices as was previously put in. This was a concession to the health care industry as a whole.

I also fail to see why increasing the number of people who are insured be a reason to not have health care reform - it's one of the most self centered arguments I've seen - and is shameful for this country that it's used.
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posted by mshadow22
about 1 month ago
M: It's adding people to the roles without provisions to handle them...

That is just wrong.

FW
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posted by FlyWacko
about 1 month ago
No, wanting people to go without coverage because some may be inconvenienced is wrong - it's selfish. The system will adjust - we're building a new medical school here. We need to be providing incentives for family practice docs as too many are specializing and geriatric care for the boomer surge.
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posted by mshadow22
about 1 month ago
I've got to add, I really don't understand the mentality that some people need to remain without health coverage because there may not be enough doctors to avoid some wait times. If we can keep people healthy it will keep ER wait times and expenses down and in the long run may balance out wait times along with encouraging more to enter the field of health care. How have we come to the thinking in this country that some need to go without coverage? I truly do not understand this.
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posted by mshadow22
about 1 month ago
M: You are missing the fact that a great number of those without coverage do it by choice...

It needs to be fixed, not destroyed.

FW
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about 1 month ago
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