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A Tale of Two Cities

No , not the Dickens novel . I was recently struck by the parallels of the founding of two of the world's great cities , Venice and Tenochtitlan .
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Just like Luxor and Washington D.C.! Both founded by people coming from somewhere else with issues about their neighbors! Where Luxor became the great political and religious capitol of Egypt, D.C. became the capital of America! And Luxor was built on the backs and the taxes of the common man, just like D.C.!!
And they both had large armies, and fast-food places, along with parades and retail space.
Baxtor's profile

about 1 month ago
mate0 says,
. . . Theirs is a separate language of Gallo-Iberian, not Italo-Rumanian, origin, being a dialect of Latin, not Italian, and differing just as Spanish,. . .

Now, I was always persuaded into thinking that Italian and Spanish were called "Latin" languages because they stemmed from . . . .Latin. et. al.
Baxtor's profile

about 1 month ago
curious learned a few weeks ago from a member that venetian is different then Italian. I knoe that Venicw hd a pretty impressive trading empire whuky the states of Ital were all separate. Might some know hoe the labuage differs? ( I believe it is more then just an accent. difference)
yichel's profile

about 1 month ago
D.C.'s location was a compromise with the South. Prevoous to D.C. the capital was in Philadelphia, Neew York and another place in Pa. I believe it was built on some rather low swampy land.
yichel's profile

about 1 month ago
Known as Venetan or Vèneto, although commonly referred to as an Italian dialletto, even by its speakers, it displays notable structural differences from Italian proper, which was based instead on the Tuscan medieval language. Its separate existence is officially recognized by current law as the Léngua Vèneta despite steadily losing ground to Italian as a less prestigious form used for informal contexts only. Yet it dates back to13th century texts

Though more similar to French than to the Iberians, due to major changes in French pronunciation over the last few centuries, it tends to phonetically resembles Spanish more. In fact, many exiles had migrated to Latin America. In general, Venetian, with its lack of double consonants, words with voiced-S represented with X (xe, xente) and sometimes with Z, redundant subject pronouns (e.g. subj. + "el"), lack of masculine singular endings such as Italian -o / -e, and softened Latin plosives (closures of the oral canal), is distinguishable from Venetian Italian, an Italian language mixed in and "disguised" as Venetan spoken especially in big towns. (Think of pig Latin or Spanglish or pigdin English.)

Compare:
Venetan: Marco el xé drio rivar ('Marco is arriving').
Venetian Italian: Marco (el) sta rivando.
Standard Italian: Marco sta arrivando.

Also compare:
English: Our Father who art in heaven,.....But deliver us from evil.
Latin (modern): Pater noster, quī es in caelis,.....Sed līberā nōs ā malō. Dalmatian (extinct): Tuota nuester ke te intel sil,.....Miu deleberiajne dal mal. Friulian (north of Venice; as old as Dalmatian): Pari nestri ch'ess in cijl,.... Ma libora nus dal mal. Venetan: Pare nostro che te si nei sia,.....Ma liberane dal maigno. Italian: Padre Nostro, che sei nei cieli,....Ma liberaci dal male.
French: Notre Père, qui es aux cieux,....Mais délivre-nous du mal.
Spanish: Padre nuestro, que estás en el cielo..... Y líbranos del mal.
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mate0's profile

about 1 month ago
Visual correction:
Also compare:
English: Our Father who art in heaven,.....But deliver us from evil.
Latin (modern): Pater noster, quī es in caelis,.....Sed līberā nōs ā malō. Dalmatian (extinct): Tuota nuester ke te intel sil,.....Miu deleberiajne dal mal. Friulian (north of Venice; as old as Dalmatian): Pari nestri ch'ess in cijl,.... Ma libora nus dal mal. Venetan: Pare nostro che te si nei sia,.....Ma liberane dal maigno. Italian: Padre Nostro, che sei nei cieli,....Ma liberaci dal male.
French: Notre Père, qui es aux cieux,....Mais délivre-nous du mal.
Spanish: Padre nuestro, que estás en el cielo..... Y líbranos del mal.
mate0's profile

about 1 month ago
Absolutely right!
French, Italian, Spanish, Venetian, Tuscan, Pizzan all seem to stem from Latin!

Venetian is just a dialect.
Also compare:

New York fairy tale begins with: "Once upon a time. . . . "
South Carolina fairy tale begins with: "Y'all ain't gonna believe this s^it. . . ."
Baxtor's profile

about 1 month ago
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