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So you think liberals limit others' freedom??!!

I've listened to right wing women whine for years about convenience. Living involves give and take and Western democracy is based on giving up some so-called "rights" in order to guarantee the freedom, safety and health of all.

All those who counter the environmental movement fail to realize that. All those who say This is America, I can do what I want (the mental and emotional two year olds that spew their nonsense here on eons and elsewhere).

When I was a political science major in the late 60s, the principles of western democracy (traditional liberalism) were defined by two sentences: My right to swing my fist ends where your nose begins. When two rights are in conflict, one is not a right.

So, there are jerks and fatsos across the country that have made hanging laundry out to dry illegal.

Track them down! Why should those amoral jerks prevent correct thinking folks from saving money and protecting the environment?

From the article:
Using an electric clothes drier can account for up to 10% of a household's total energy use, and the EPA and other environmental organizations concerned with energy conservation and energy efficiency have been telling people to purchase Energy Star appliances for years. While this is a good idea on paper, many people aren't financially able to simply go out and upgrade to a fancy new washer and dryer. However, they are being told they can't have simple outdoor clotheslines, which are much cheaper and carbon neutral.

Richard Monson, the president of the California Association of Homeowners Associations, told Legal Affairs magazine that a clothesline in a neighborhood can lower property values by 15 percent: "Modern homeowners don't like people's underwear in public. It's just unsightly."

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Plainoldme's profile
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I love to be able to hang out my bedding. To me, there is nothing like sleeping on sheets fresh from the clothesline.
AuntieEmma's profile

about 1 month ago
I guess the women in my life trained me right.....You hang your bedding outside at least once a month for airing....Even tho no ladies live here now I still air the bedding once a month weather permitting..

Had a French Canadian Grandma on my wife's side who hung towels over her underwear on the clothesline, and hung everything else in ascending size order.....
brewguru's profile

about 1 month ago
britiron -- Let me explain something to you. As a veteran of many internet fora, I have read many, many tirades from the right against what its members perceive to be (and, in reality, are) safety and environmental regulations (OSHA, seat belt laws, environmental protection) that originated from the left because, to the right, these things limit personal freedom.

Let's face it: no liberal would promote a regulation against clothes lines!

And while there might be some liberals that are sufficiently snobby to not want to see clothes lines -- or solar panels on roofs! -- most of those complaining about that sort of "eyesore" are not on the left.
Plainoldme's profile

about 1 month ago
JFKRFK -- Your reply contains a serious contradiction. Today's fabrics actually dry more quickly than the sort of fabrics most of us would have been familiar with in our childhood's. Synthetic fabrics are definitely second half of the 20th C and they dry more quickly than natural fibers, with the exception of light weight woolens and silks. While fewer items are made from light weight wool these days, silk is more widely available.

I find hanging my laundry less work than using a dryer. If you really want to avoid wrinkles, you have to almost catch each item as soon as it becomes sufficiently dry to remove from the machine. When my kids were small, I refused to own a dryer and hung clothes out year round. Like many moms, I would throw a load in to wash each morning before I made the breakfast coffee. Simply hung up the clothes and forgot them until I was ready to take them down.
Plainoldme's profile

about 1 month ago
When one starts hollering "property values", that sounds more like a "money is my god" conservatives.

In the green movement, I bet a head count would find a preponderance of liberals over conservatives. Green Peace, Sierra Club, the societies and organizations I have been associated with have been predominantly to 100% liberal.

My best bet is those who enacted the ordinances were of the conservative, more right wing persuasion.
GothamGal's profile

about 1 month ago
Brew, when I was growing up our undies were hung behind something else on the clothesline. My mother would have died if someone had driven by and saw our, (gasp, blush, gasp, gulp) panties or bras waving in the breeze.
AuntieEmma's profile

about 1 month ago
I am a lifelong moderate to conservative Republican. I use my dryer on towels and sheets, once a week. I hang all the rest of my laundry up around the house to dry. It is much less expensive on a lot of fronts.

If someone else wants to use their dryer, I am not going to argue with them. Besides its very difficult to argue with Liberals as they always think they are right.

By the way, has anyone else read the stories of the families who have been sued by their neighbors for hanging clothes out of a clothes line to dry.
pattiwatt's profile

about 1 month ago
Patti -- I had to chuckle. So you think liberals think they are always right. Well, I have weathered attacks from the right for years. There is nothing like a right winger for name calling, spamming, arguments ad hominem and worse.

One rightie sent me a baby bottle a few days before the presidential election because she knew I would be crying when McCain won. I contacted several people who are active on the left wing sites here on eons and found that she had sent the same "gift" to nearly all of them. We decided the best thing to do would be to ignore her and we did.

On Facebook, I participated in a few polls, which were not created by sociologists and were almost impossible to answer because of the built in biases. Then I participated in the comment section. A woman in Texas sent me comments for several hours. She had to have stayed up until four in the morning, insulting me.

On the late, lamented Abuzz, a forum the originated with the NY Times, right wingers would "spam" liberal threads or threads in which liberals commented. They would cut and paste encyclopedia pages into the discussions to stop them.

My youngest brother, who is very right of center, also participates in polls on FB. When he has commented on his own home page there, his facts are often not factual at all. So, I have corrected them. He became angry with me because I told him that the Founding Fathers were generally Deists and not traditional Christians. Accused me of talking down to him! Said that 99% of all Americans do not know what a Deist is. A FB friend of his (mind you) interrupted with that statement that I was correct, I was not talking down to him and that not only did he know what a Deist is and that the FFs were generally deists, but that he had many conversations, both in person and online, about the subject.

To me, that is typical right wing behavior and a reason why any sort of conversation between the political sides in impossible.

BTW, ask your right wing friends what they know about Neo-Cons. I find few know anything about that movement.
Plainoldme's profile

about 1 month ago
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