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Was looking for the link on earth...4.5 billion plus.

Now that we know we can detect planets in other galaxies (less than 14 years after the first planet is detected orbiting another star), the day will come that we detect solar systems within moments of their creation. That won't happen today or tomorrow or even the day after tomorrow, but it will happen sometime during the third millennium. Between now and that day, a frontier unfolds before us. I can only guess at what we will find.

If the conditions of independent testing and verification and certifiable provenance are applied to any response I'm afraid there aren't going to be many valid arguments, Wot53! Anything else is purely conjecture only to be debated ad nauseum to no conclusion.

Sometimes, no evidence is enough to change stubborn minds. That's called politics.

By the way, the discoverers of the planet detected in Andromeda galaxy are Swiss. Let's see, they found 51 Pegasi b that began what has been called "the landrush of discovery". They determined in 2008 that solar systems are "ubiquitous" in 2008 (meaning solar systems are as common as the stars they accompany). Finally, they determined in April of this year that Gliese 581 d, the water world, is well within the "goldilocks" life zone" and they await confirmation that it has organic life.

With the astronomers of one of the smallest nations on Earth turning everything we know about the Cosmos upside down and inside out, where the hell are the American astronomers? Oh, I know. They're all under their beds with their hands over their ears chanting "we're all there is and there is nothing more. We're all there is and there is nothing more." That is, that's what they're doing when they're not looking for the edge of their dead, antiseptic Universe.

From my readings: the earth and its solae system is estimated at 4-5 billion years and the universe from the big bang is 20 billion years which makes sense to me as it has to be older then earh's sola system.At the end of the universe is how many years older the the center since it is expanding?(i believe) O where or how do scientists measure the outer points of the universe,

Anything else is purely conjecture only to be debated ad nauseum to no conclusion. Bob

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That was my point Bob. Some who claim to be scientific hold on... to the death that the earth is only 10,000 years old so that it fits in with other out of date ideas.

How did that particular person, the one that claimed to be scientific, make such a claim? What does, being scientific, mean? How would one get such title? If I boldly state that the Earth is 13.5 billion years old, then am I scientific or not scientific?

This is weird!

I was just theorizing about that a couple of days ago, about the universe being older than what has been proposed, to the sum of about 20 to 25 billion light years. Seems I was right!!!

10,000 I thought it was 6,000 and something??? Still ya got to love their determination…

Roger...they may be scientific in their own mind.

Since they have a pre-set agenda they are forced to make it fit...science or no science.