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physical strength as a value

Although I am unfairly cherry picking my examples I am curious if the idea holds water. My wife has many times brought up that many Hollywood action heroes today are short in height. Examples Sylvester Stallone, Arnold S., Mel Gibson, and I began to think about physical prowess how in the past a man’s and probably but not as much women’s physical strength was a factor in how one was assessed.(keep your shirt on I am not equating being short to being weak) Again in history starting with George Washington the first thing people would say about him was his height 6 feet 2,, he was the best horseman n America and his bearing of strength. That was a major factor why he was selected to head the revolutionary army. (Look at his military record not impressive 2 battles lost one cheated on the other. I know he also had uniform.) Today Jul 4th Abraham Lincoln talk about physical prowess and height. Lincoln was called by his detractors as an ape, ugly etc., many times he would enter a town and wrestle with the strongest he rarely lost. At age 60 he could still lift an axe by just his fingers arm held straight out try it. PM if you can do it.
Frederick Douglas another large tall and physically strong man. Escaping slavery that alone took such strength. He is described as a lion of a man. I know much of that had to do with his grey mane like beard and African heritage but I also think people heard and could feel his strength thus he gained further respect.
Finally Walt Whitman, gay man, tall 6 feet 2 maybe 3 inches large barrel chest. He almost always wore clothes of the working man from boots shirt, always opened. He wanted to convey a sense of physical manliness. Which also might have come from his up bringing? His father and all his brothers and he were carpenters, and house builders.

I remember the picture of Ronald Reagan at his California estate they tended to have him chopping wood or describe him doing some physical task.
Finally Theodore Roosevelt this skinny weak, near bind, asthmatic kid who goes to Harvard with the intention of totally changing his body he joins the boxing team by he time he graduates and heads of to Montana or North Dakota? He will be described for ever as a tower of pugilistic strength.. Here is my wondering
Now physical strength means the gym. There is no real need in our society. Does it also means that perseverance and willingness to take on burdens have dropped? just some personal junk I would never in my life been considered physically strong although perseverance and the nastines that drives it would be identified
yichel's profile
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Not for everyone. My job saves me a monthly fitness center fee. So does that of my daughter's boyfriend (welder).

I really don't know if physical strength has mutated or diminished as a value, but I do know I'm gonna enjoy my 45th high school reunion next summer.
Rhesus's profile

4 months ago
Well, I am strong enough to pick up my scooter when I drop it, and was going to the gym. After I took on the care of my almost-ex, I got even stronger. Amazing what lifting a 165 lb dead weight will do for your body tone.

But your basic question about the lessening of physical fitness and the lessening of perseverance and willingness to take on burdens ... I don't think there is a correlation between the two. I have known many 90-pound weaklings who were a tower of strength. The ability to lift an ax straight-arm with one's fingers has nothing to do with the ability to take on a different kind of load.
MartiInMexico's profile

4 months ago
I want emotionally strong people in my life. Couldn't care less about the physically strong.
JaneCrichton's profile

4 months ago
I don't see where height has any relationship to physical strength. I knew a man 5'2" who could life an auto engine above his head.

Maintaining physical strength could be an indication of one's general health, though, barring an internal organ or two going on the fritz. Keeping fit adds to longevity, but I don't know that fitness should be the end all and be all in someone's life. Emotional strength and flexibility is as important to me as physical strength and maybe more.
GothamGal's profile

4 months ago
I think you nailed it with the example of Teddy Roosevelt. He was skinny, asthmatic, and half blind; but he had an attitude. That, more than anything else, is what got him where he was. His loud, overbearing, gun-boat diplomacy, full-charge attitude. This could be good, or bad. Having the proper attitude doesn't necessarily mean they can do the job. You need the attitude, and the means to back it up.
Baxtor's profile

4 months ago
".(keep your shirt on I am not equating being short to being weak)" sorry too two many thoughts
yichel's profile

4 months ago
Yichel there is a definite historical correlation between size and strength and leadership . No doubt it traces back to the times when the tribal chieftain was the best warrior . In Europe , there is an observable difference , even today , in the average height of the nobility and the common people . In sports today , if you read the scouting reports on the amateurs before the drafts in both baseball and football , where unlike basketball height is not a specific requirement , you will still find a strong bias against the shorter athletes even though they might be superior performers in every way .
Dirck's profile

4 months ago
I like standing next to a physically strong barrel chested 6'2" kind of guy because I have always felt tall in my Italian family. I am only 5'6'', but I have looked down on hair parts all my life since I was 12 and in grammar school and high school, I always stood at the back of the line. My relatives are teeny.

But, physical strength has nothing to do with mental acuity in reality. There is, however, a psychological aspect to the idea of strength. Obama looks lean and healthy and strong. So did Bush. It just looks better.

Then there is Popeye. My father looked like Popeye because he was 5'2". but an iron worker, so he had muscles, especially muscular forearms from hammering the iron bars into fancy ornaments. He was a Renaissance man to me-- a craftsman, a musician, a thinker till the day he died, a srict Sicilian father, and emotional mess when listening to opera. Whattaguy!

I think I am rambling. Outta here.
crestofwaves's profile

4 months ago
sorry I thought about this So moderator do me a favor delete this and the colorand slavery one two obviously very stupid ideas for deep thinkers.

yichel
yichel's profile

4 months ago
Not a chance, dude. Correlating physical strength with strength of character is an interesting concept. I think it goes deeper in our psyches than we realize.

In today's world, we tend to equate physical fitness with sexual attractiveness, and the health aspects of it are only secondary to us. But in the past, physical fitness meant that person could DO something. I think it had more value. Today, although the guy or gal who can bench press some huge amount of poundage and can outswing John Henry building a railroad is impressive, what we are looking for is the person who can fix our economic system, not our fence line on the back forty, and can build a well-running, hacker-free computer system, not a railroad.

So the guy with the paunch may not get laid as often, but he is more in demand for world building.
MartiInMexico's profile

4 months ago
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