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What Qualifies As Music?

John Cage created a piece of music that is the musical analogue of absolute zero of temperature (minus 273 degrees celcius). The piece is titled 4'33". It is performed by a pianist in formal dress sitting motionless at a grand piano for 4 minutes 33 seconds (which equals 273 seconds.)

My question is: is it music if it has no sound? If you say this piece is not music, then what is it?

What exactly IS music?
MartiInMexico's profile
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If you were to subscribe to string theory, matter, energy, everything is music. From that point of view, Amadeus and Ludwig were the greatest mathematicians who ever lived and the greatest mathematical achievement wasn't Principia Mathematica or Einstein's Unified Field Theory, but Beethoven's 9th Symphony.

I was never great at math, but I was told to shut up when I sang in a chorus and I never learned how to play a musical instrument, I mean, who knew?

ciao for now,

Len
LenRobertson's profile

10 months ago
Obviously formal dress is the key . If the pianist was wearing a tee shirt and cut-offs , it would not be music .
Dirck's profile

10 months ago
Lol, Rodney.

This is why I know I am NOT an intellectual. If I watched that man sitting at the piano, I would be thinking, "Play something, already."

And I can't even begin to comprehend what that whole analog zero thing means.

Music is anything that bends the soundwaves pleasurably.
crestofwaves's profile

10 months ago
I like John Cage! His ideas, not his music!
Bernie18's profile

10 months ago
I think this particular piece was a contrivance by the artist as either a joke or a catalyst for thought. He is either very lazy or extremely creative.
merlinsflame's profile

10 months ago
John Cage was a really interesting guy. His piece, '473' is not supposed to be an example of silence. The audience is to sit and listen to all the incidental sounds in the environment for those 473 seconds.

He composed accidental music, I guess it is called. He didn't believe music was supposed to bring organization out of chaos, but to represent the chaos and joy of life.

So, OK, based on my further description of the piece, now would you say it is 'music'?
MartiInMexico's profile

10 months ago
AH! What went on in your head during this time? To some music. To others thought. Music like beauty is in the ear of the beholder. I do not conceder rap to be music but poetry set to music. But then is Janice’s obbligato rendition of Mercedes Benz music? Now we have finished this circle. What is music to you? I think it was made to make you think.
Rewtoo's profile

10 months ago
It is not music; it is art. I always feel that composers and artists use their music and paintings to express the words they have trouble verbalizing. In Cage's scenario, the composer seems no longer to be able to use his music in this way. However, even as artists paint black canvases with no drawings on them, this piece of performance art sends a message.
pattiwatt's profile

10 months ago
I think that the message that Cage or the artist who paints a solid one color canvas are sending is either that everything is art or that nothing is art , which is really the same message expressed in two ways .
Dirck's profile

10 months ago
This is one of his more tonal pieces. Very etherial.




MartiInMexico's profile

10 months ago
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