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Thank you for letting me know D22007. I'm not very well informed on how to run these links and I appreciate your input. Will go now and find out. Thank you again. Zochitl

Zochitl,

This morning happened to be one of the few mornings that I was unable to pop in and do some quick answers if needed. Still trying to get use to this new shift at work, although it is only three hours earlier. What I found about what is known as Tila:

FLOR DE TILA
English name: Linden
Botanical name: Tilia spp.
Parts of Plant used: Leaves and Flower

Therapeutic Claims:
Sedative
Antispasmodic properties
Diuretic
Expectorant
Digestive properties
In folk medicine, traditionally used to treat insomnia, muscle spasms, nerves, cold/fever, intestinal disorders, coughs, and menstrual cramps.
Precautions: No adverse side effects are known with the proper administration of designated therapeutic dosages.
Therapeutic dosage/Preparation: The recommended daily dosage is 2-4grams.

Scientific Evidence:
Viola et al. (1994) studied a complex, unidentified flavonoid from Tilia tomentosa. When this flavonoid was injected intraperitoneally into mice, it was shown to have a significant anti-anxiety effect, but it did not affect locomotor activity.

**I had at one time some other information about this particular variety of linden, but it really is not a true linden tree in the strict botanical sense. But more than likely it was in time that the spelling had gone from tilia or tila. What I have for the tilia is this:

Tilia is a genus of about 30 species of trees, native throughout most of the temperate Northern Hemisphere, in Asia (where the greatest species diversity is found), Europe and eastern North America; it is not native to western North America. Under the Cronquist classification system, this genus was placed in the family Tiliaceae, but genetic research by the APG has resulted in the incorporation of this family into the Malvaceae. The trees are generally called lime in Britain and linden in parts of Europe and North America (where they are also known as basswood).

Tilia species are large deciduous trees, reaching typically 20–40 m tall, with oblique-cordate leaves 6–20 cm across, and are found through the north temperate regions. The exact number of species is subject to considerable uncertainty, as many or most of the species will hybridise readily, both in the wild and in cultivation.

Lime is an altered form of Middle English lind, in the 16th century also line, from Old English feminine lind or linde, Proto-Germanic *lendā, cognate to Latin lentus "flexible" and Sanskrit latā "liana". Within Germanic, English lithe, German lind "lenient, yielding" are from the same root.

Linden was originally the adjective, "made from lime-wood", from the late 16th century also used as a noun, probably influenced by translations of German romance, as an adoption of Linden, the plural of German Linde (OED). Neither the name nor the tree is related to the citrus fruit called "lime" (Citrus aurantifolia, family Rutaceae). Another widely-used common name used in North America is Basswood, derived from bast, the name for the inner bark (see Uses, below).

Latin tilia is cognate to Greek πτελέᾱ "elm tree", τιλίαι "black poplar" (Hes.), ultimately from a PIE *ptel-ei̯ā with a meaning of "broad (feminine)", perhaps "broad-leaved" or similar.

Which for myself makes a lot more sense because of the ability to actually locate better information on the subject as a whole tends to bring out a clearer understanding overall about what makes that drink as popular for a late night drink or mid-day break. Unfortunately there could also be way too many broad interpations that could be made overall about the entire word. But I do know the country that brought us some of the best herbal drinks you could imagine also brought us Tequlia. Go figure. 8^)

That was kind of you to look this up for me SnowWolf. This tea is very popular down here in Mexico and the interesting thing is that people are very aware of their herbs and what they do for them.
I remember a taxi driver once giving me a recipe to cure asthma because he said he had had it and now he is fine and it was something with the leaves of the Eucaliptus tree,in a poulitice with aloe vera and tila but never got the whole recipe because I had to get off. They are unbelievable in giving you recipes like that all over., The only problem is you have to go and find out for yourself if they are correct.

I see you came here a bit shy of what I posted about eucalyptus leaves, although I look back now and realize that that I had posted it as the root. The best example I could ever give was an episode shown on the television program 'Lost'. Now I can not think of the Korean lady's name when she had Kate gather some herbs all of which I actually knew which ones were gathered and next she made a poultice that also had contain eucalyptus leaves as well and her mixture was essential correct from what I could tell and saved Shannon's life from an asthma attack which some how I recognized the type of seizure she had that brought on the asthma attack. I can not remember everything about what herbs was collected now for the life of me. Just before Jin(?) was going to apply it Dr. Jack stepped in, demanded to see it took a look inside and then took a sniff and quickly handed it back to her so she could apply it to Shannon. Anyway that is the jist of that story line, but it felt strange I had actually knew each herb that Kate harvested and named them off much to my wife's pained expression, but she did ask what Kate was gathering.

So yea, eucalyptus leaves have been fairly well used along the pacific for centuries. Both Chinese and Japanese medicinal herbs have been documented for centuries and who know how long before the invention of pen and paper.

As for aloe vera, presently I am not aware of such a use even in poultices for asthma, but I do know that there are several herbs that do contain active compounds that could very well be used for breathing problems such as asthma. Horehound and Elderberry are two that I can think of off the top of my head.

Right now I can see that my dyslexia is starting to really kick up and I need to lay down for a while before I start typing jibberish. By then I am certain that I can add much more to the list.

I want to send you the name they use down here for the Tila I was referring to.Botanical name is Terustroemia Sylvatica-this is Tila down here.

and the Hierbsabuena is called Mentha Piperita is used for ailments of the stomach.
Zochitl

Zochitl,

Before I started looking, I had to see if they had the correct spelling with Terustroemia Sylvatica, but the only thing I found was something in full-blown Spanish. But for myself I had not kept up with for it has been around 40 years since the last time I even had any type of formal training with the study or even speaking of Spanish. With that in mind, I found the next be thing with Ternstroemia sylvatica, this had an "n" instead of a "u" in it and by reading I have found and could understand, in English with the Latin Botanical names to verify what they meant...Pay dirt! But I am uncertain if that was typographical with the transcription or translation error. But in any case I did find what I was looking for with the "n" in the Botanical Name. Either way I was certain you wrote it correctly to bring back for me to take a look at.

Essentially everything I had written up above is fairly accurate, with some minor adjustments the one that you have for me is Tiliaceae-Terustroemia-Sylvatica, which is following the family-genus-species format. For what I had found it was this way Tiliaceae-Ternstroemia-Sylvatica, with following the same family-genus-species format. After writing this part and letting it sit for probably some time I then thought about it and looked for a model on the botanical Nomenclature and finally found the International Code of Botanical Nomenclature (ICBN) that described the history turmoil of its long yet very short life.

A decent run down of the history can be found here: view link

As brief as I could be with this the very first classification system was the Aristotelian philosophy and logic. Kind of a simplified version went like: The hierarchical system, with a Latin binomial nomenclature for the unit of the species. From the much simpler days of Aristotle which gave use the ground work laid out the early systems to look similar to:
Kingdom:
Divisions:
(SubDivision:)
Class:
(Sub class:)
Family:
(Sub Family:)
Genus:
(Sub Genus:)
Species:

Until we finally end up with something similar to looking like:
Rank Ending Examples (I also brought examples in as well)

Division: (Phylum) -phyta Pinophyta, Magnoliophyta
Class: -opsida Pinopsida, Liliopsida, Magnoliopsida
Order: -ales Pinales, Liliales, Magnoliales
Family: -aceae Pinaceae, Liliaceae, Magnoliaceae
Tribe: -eae Pineae, Lilieae, Magnolieae
Genus: A noun Pinus, Lilium, Magnolia
Species: Depends Pinus flexilis, Lilium grandiflorum,
Variety: Depends Pinus flexilis var. humilus
Form: Depends

So it is fairly easy to find in most cases because they are mainly given, from there I can easily follow their family tree (no pun intended here) where I can find the common Tribe or Sub Family, from there its a piece of cake so to speak to find what ever information that I need for the common ground, which usually ends at the Family Level.

I know it would seem like we are splitting hairs to a point, but I am very grateful for all the information that I can get, for I also gather this and place it in my own personal library to share later on with more folks.

The second part was:
Hierbsabuena is called Mentha Piperita (aka Peppermint).
I believe it was in late May/early June when I had posted the monograph on the peppermint herb and yes it is correct with the claim for stomach ailments.

If I take the time before going to bed tonight, I'll repost my monographs for Peppermint, Linden (just not quite the same but will have to do in a pinch), Eucalyptus, Horehound, and Elderberry. By this time tomorrow night I should have a decent monograph on either the Terustroemia Sylvatica or Ternstroemia Sylvatica or both. In either case I do believe that with Sylvatica in common I do not believe that I would find much difference between the two.

PS: My spell checker wants me to make your name to Xóchitl.

**Personal Notes: I do hope that anyone and everyone who reads my response here see the part that I would love to have, for once in a while I will come across something that happens to have a common name with three different Genus/Species(Family) names, as in the case here with Sylvatica. For it happens to have a common Genus of both Terustroemia and Ternstroemia. In this case the only difference between the to Genuses is the fourth letter.

Cheers!
da Wolfie

Yes you are right about my name. The correct spelling is with an "X". That is in the Aztec language but people would never be able to pronounce or say it because in the Aztec language the "X" was pronounced like and "S". And the Z in the Spanish language is pronounced like an S. Figure that out. lol

Again thank you for looking into Terustroemia Sylvatica. My mistake and I appologize.
It does have a "u" instead of a "n". And probably here while looking a the compendium of herbs in Spanish it too has a typographical error. So I'll take the "U" and thank you for all the trouble I put you thru. As I said to you before, it is quite a popular tea down here and evidently has good effect since people drink it all the time. Also I thank you for the link.Very informative.

I started to wonder a bit about that myself, although I do see that you still got the letters backwards. That is alright, for I understood what you meant by it.

Besides I do not hide the fact that I happen to be a witch, but that is not here to discuss what religion happens to be, but the reason why I brought that up is because throughout my training I had to also learn about another religion outside of the big 'three', Christian, Islamic/Muslim, and Jewish. So it came down to looking at the New World so to speak and the Aztec/Mayan (although at that time there was very little to know that the Maya are a separate people), so I was assigned to learn everything about their Religion that was to be known and write a thesis paper on comparing their Spiritual life to what I perceived about Witchcraft after almost a year of studying.

What was known of both the Aztec and Mayan was first translated into Spanish, then later on the early Spanish was translated into English, actually the old English first and then into the Modern usage of today. With that in mind, both languages still did not know how to handle the massive usage of "X" as well as "Z" into something very usable, each time science thought they had that key, they also then found it would not work with the new set of writings and then had to start over again. The last time I looked I think I saw roughly only 1% of the known writings have been correctly translated so far. It is one thing being able to piece together a civilization from the ruins, pottery, jewelry, etc. but it is something completely different when it comes to translating the language into something usable to study. What we know rather think we know today may well be totally different 20 years from now. Even now they know the jungles will not willingly give up its secrets for an ancient people.

What I have learned about the tea, it will put you out quite literally if you have never drank it before. But it is quite relaxing once you adapt to it. If brewed incorrectly it is also quite addictive as well. Scanning through the back ground a little bit I have found that this happens to be quite a common error when it comes to translations, that all it takes is one letter misplaced and it usually take on a whole new life. The same goes for almost all languages, and in this case I did find that there was not any very useful information to speak of when looking for much with the "U" as the letter that you first gave me. And out of the total of 10 results 8 had gone directly to the same reference point, stating that the incorrect usage of Terustroemia Sylvatica when it should be Ternstroemia Sylvatica. The other site happened to be having technical difficulties but I book marked to search later and still have come up empty.

Oh well, look at the time and I see it is time to start getting ready to get to work. Where did my morning go already?

PS. I thought since you do have that nursing back ground that you would enjoy how I structure my work on herbs as well as how in the world could I ever keep this thing organized with all the Chaos that goes with learning about herbal medicines. Using this type of structural set up works best along with working in alphabetical order with the common names given me a decent framework to go with.