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Scientific Infancy I Tell You

Most of what we think we know about science, we have learned in very recent centuries which is short in the life span of our planet. Even the Egyptians' contributions were recent with respect to the lens of the earth's history. With respect to the universe, most of what we think we know has changed since the Hubble telescope.

Every time I read a post or topic about something like the formation of the universe, global warming, or inner space, I just want to chuckle. While I am interested in most scientific topics, rigid positions always remind me of how different theories have changed over the years. Something that used to be good for you is now considered bad or vise versa. Scientists are constantly revising their viewpoints on almost all topics that we are concerned with today. Who is right and who is way off base? Perhaps there is nothing that we should consider a scientific fact? Is there only scientific theory?

For example, take the composition of the earth. Relatively new research measuring the paths of earthquakes suggest that the earth is composed of a rocky crust, a mantle of hot plastic rock, an outer core of liquid iron, and an inner core believed to be of solid iron. Some think the earth's core is cooling while others think it is warming. Same of course with climate change---some say cooling, some say warming. So, we cannot agree on some basic things like our planet's composition or the core temperature's trend.

When I hear those in science who say with specificity that their theory is the only one, I think of all the religious zealots who think their religion is the only one that makes sense. So, my question to you actual or budding scientists is which of your beliefs can we actually take to the bank? What do ALL scientists believe about certain scientific matters---pick any topic from Biology to Zoology, to the Universe? Do you agree on anything? Are scientists just latter day snake oil salesmen?
QUEST2006's profile
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Yeah Quest, as LLL asked, what is that burr under your blanket?
allen42's profile

about 1 year ago
No burr. Certain things just make me chuckle. Mainly I think of all of the new information since the Hubble telescope. Most of what we think that we know about the universe we have learned since the Hubble telescope. That being said, we know hardly anything, yet we concoct theories and try to convince others that we know what we are talking about. Just makes me want to chuckle. No burr.
QUEST2006's profile

about 1 year ago
The Hubble experiment was to prove or disprove the existing science theories, the problem was/is it created more questions that it proved…

Like Einstein’s theory about light waves bending. Proven with a telescope in 1919 as true.
denjolly's profile

about 1 year ago
The hubble telescope also disproved old scientific myths. It created so many new questions because of all the fantastic discoveries. I would not describe that as a problem. Rather, it is a new opportunity.
QUEST2006's profile

about 1 year ago
So you are OK with the "fact" that there are few "known facts" in science, but rather theories which allow comprehension of complex issues until facts either prove or disprove the theories?

Your tolerance for ambiguity allows this in your belief structure?
allen42's profile

about 1 year ago
Don't try to back me into a corner, Allen. Yes and no.
QUEST2006's profile

about 1 year ago
You guys just keep proving my points and/or skepticism. -Quest

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You are a good scientist. You are skeptical and don't accept easy answers.
In geological time I would agree science is an infant...so is the human animal.

Quest, when you studied science did you read Kuhns
"The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"?

I think it helps to answer part of your questions.
"Science is not the steady, cumulative acqusition of
knowledge that is portrayed in textbooks.
Rather, it is a series of peaceful interludes punctuated
by intellectually violent revolutions... in each of which
one conceptual world view is replaced by another...."-Thomas S. Kuhn
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World views have changed several times since Copernicus.
wot53's profile

about 1 year ago
Thanks Wot. I think that Kuhn and I would get along well.
QUEST2006's profile

about 1 year ago
The Hubble telescope also disproved old scientific myths?

Only Creationists claim that, they claim Hubble "disproved the myth of the big bang". There claim is based on stuff they made up, like” all galaxies are moving towards one star cluster.” What a whopper; never happened. Just a plain lie.

Hubble proved a lot of universe evolution mechanism theories were correct. It created more questions because it can see things 100 times further than ever seen before. You'd be in awe if you saw another foreign country for the first time, wouldn’t you have questions about the difference between what you see in a foreign land and the stuff you were used to at home?

However the newest and best new discoveries are since the conversion of hubble from visible light to high energy light wave telescopy; ultra-violet and x-ray. Those are the really neat new pictures of galaxies ans nebulae you have been seeing on the internet. The best is yet to come -- when we invent a functioning yet higher energy gamma ray telescope.
LifeLoveLaughter's profile

about 1 year ago
The scientific method is you throw out an idea and then you attack the hell out of it. A lot of EONS types confuse that with scientists always changing their facts. Actually it is robust debate by trying to throw a monkey wrench in each others ideas and see if it works the same, better, or worse. Yes, some people unfortunately do see it as we don't agree with each other. Even when we do agree, we will still continue to challenge each others' theories again tomorrow. That's the scientific method.

Isn't that better than sitting on your ass stll believing your little world is 6,000 years old and the center of the universe? Please don't tell me you do...
LifeLoveLaughter's profile

about 1 year ago
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