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Scientific Infancy I Tell You

Most of what we think we know about science, we have learned in very recent centuries which is short in the life span of our planet. Even the Egyptians' contributions were recent with respect to the lens of the earth's history. With respect to the universe, most of what we think we know has changed since the Hubble telescope.

Every time I read a post or topic about something like the formation of the universe, global warming, or inner space, I just want to chuckle. While I am interested in most scientific topics, rigid positions always remind me of how different theories have changed over the years. Something that used to be good for you is now considered bad or vise versa. Scientists are constantly revising their viewpoints on almost all topics that we are concerned with today. Who is right and who is way off base? Perhaps there is nothing that we should consider a scientific fact? Is there only scientific theory?

For example, take the composition of the earth. Relatively new research measuring the paths of earthquakes suggest that the earth is composed of a rocky crust, a mantle of hot plastic rock, an outer core of liquid iron, and an inner core believed to be of solid iron. Some think the earth's core is cooling while others think it is warming. Same of course with climate change---some say cooling, some say warming. So, we cannot agree on some basic things like our planet's composition or the core temperature's trend.

When I hear those in science who say with specificity that their theory is the only one, I think of all the religious zealots who think their religion is the only one that makes sense. So, my question to you actual or budding scientists is which of your beliefs can we actually take to the bank? What do ALL scientists believe about certain scientific matters---pick any topic from Biology to Zoology, to the Universe? Do you agree on anything? Are scientists just latter day snake oil salesmen?
QUEST2006's profile
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Most of the hoopla over the "changing" science is lack of understanding of the process of scientific investigation. jd55

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You can say that again. It would help if in science discussions if we had a deeper understanding of the scientific method. Even the word scientist is fairly new- less than 200 years.

In history science was connected to philosophy. Now science stands as its own set of subjects.
wot53's profile

about 1 year ago
"Are there such things as scientific facts that ALL scientists agree with?"

Off the top of my head, evolution and gravity are considered facts, not theories. Because, there is enough evidence to prove them beyond a doubt.

Now, if you want to talk about the mechanism of gravity or the mechanism of evolution -- those are theories based on observation of real events.
LifeLoveLaughter's profile

about 1 year ago
p.s. I forgot to add, no body really knows.
LifeLoveLaughter's profile

about 1 year ago
Quest, there are a whole range of musical and math concepts and "laws" that are so inviolate that they are not so much formulated as discovered. LLL's gravitational constant is one of them. The relationship of the hypotenuse of a right triangle to the other two sides. Why musical harmonies are harmonies. The miracles of the calculus. The speed of light, under defined conditions.

Other things are more theory, like organic evolution. Within its defined and observable sphere, organic evolution is a fact. It happens, one can see it happen, one can measure it. Is that the way Man originated? I dunno. Likely. It's not observable, at least by a single human, or repeatable, not yet anyway, but there sure is a pile of evidence. Did life come from a mix of amino acids? I dunno. It hasn't been duplicated yet. Did god do it? I dunno. Less (or no) evidence there.

Is global warming a fact? Define global warming, first. Are we warmer than lots of times past? Yeah. Is it correlating to CO2 levels? Yup. Can we do anything about it? I dunno. Is there anything to do something about? Yeah, if you're a polar bear. Should we do something? Sure. Will the theory change with more info? It had better...It's to be expected and change is not a weakness, but rather a strength of the method. True scientists are anything but rigid.

about 1 year ago
You guys just keep proving my points and/or skepticism. The last time I looked, I still have a Bachelor of Science and a Master of Science degree. More education beyond that but not in science. The more science keeps changing its positions, the more skeptical I become of any old or "new" theories be it evolution, formation of the universe, inner-space, etc. Now, don't turn this into an opportunity to discuss evolution because that is not my intent.

The only comparison that I can make is that many of you who hold a firm anchor in science have concluded that to believe in religion is somehow unscientific because the existence of a God cannot be proven. Please don't start a God debate on this thread either. Save it for the Quagmire #2.

I am respectful of science but look at most conclusions very critically and skeptically.
QUEST2006's profile

about 1 year ago
Dogma doesn't change, nor does it accept it.

Science, on the other hand, is always looking for "reason". It never accepts something as a fact and will always look for better understanding. It's the root cause for change.

Without science, we'd be living in the Stone Age. The first person to rub sticks together to try to make fire was a "scientist". He or she didn't know if it would work, but they had a theory ...

about 1 year ago
Aslan says:

"I am respectful of science but look at most conclusions very critically and skeptically."

That is the essence of the scientific method. Congratulations. You are Scientist!

about 1 year ago
As I indicaed earlier, I have the utmost respect for science. It is just the interpretation of conclusions and the constantly shifting positions to support a theory that makes me chuckle.
QUEST2006's profile

about 1 year ago
I case any of you scientists are interested Mars will be the closest to the earth tonight ( about 36.65 million miles ) and you will be able to view 2 moons around 12:30 a.m. Enjoy if you have a clear sky wherever you are.
Zochitl's profile

about 1 year ago
Quest, what theory has changed its interpretation so radically that it bothers you so much? I know a few in my amateur studies in Biblical Archeology, but since I don't believe that you are a student of that particilar science, I wonder where you are coming from?

Creationists make a big deal about saying Science is always changing it's theories, but they have yet to name one they have not made up themselves. But they influence a lot of people to believe something that is not necessarily true.

(I am hoping yours may be one of those...I have a feeling I wont be so lucky, lol)
LifeLoveLaughter's profile

about 1 year ago
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