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Scientific Infancy I Tell You

Most of what we think we know about science, we have learned in very recent centuries which is short in the life span of our planet. Even the Egyptians' contributions were recent with respect to the lens of the earth's history. With respect to the universe, most of what we think we know has changed since the Hubble telescope.

Every time I read a post or topic about something like the formation of the universe, global warming, or inner space, I just want to chuckle. While I am interested in most scientific topics, rigid positions always remind me of how different theories have changed over the years. Something that used to be good for you is now considered bad or vise versa. Scientists are constantly revising their viewpoints on almost all topics that we are concerned with today. Who is right and who is way off base? Perhaps there is nothing that we should consider a scientific fact? Is there only scientific theory?

For example, take the composition of the earth. Relatively new research measuring the paths of earthquakes suggest that the earth is composed of a rocky crust, a mantle of hot plastic rock, an outer core of liquid iron, and an inner core believed to be of solid iron. Some think the earth's core is cooling while others think it is warming. Same of course with climate change---some say cooling, some say warming. So, we cannot agree on some basic things like our planet's composition or the core temperature's trend.

When I hear those in science who say with specificity that their theory is the only one, I think of all the religious zealots who think their religion is the only one that makes sense. So, my question to you actual or budding scientists is which of your beliefs can we actually take to the bank? What do ALL scientists believe about certain scientific matters---pick any topic from Biology to Zoology, to the Universe? Do you agree on anything? Are scientists just latter day snake oil salesmen?
QUEST2006's profile
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I think science is a tool and you work with what you've got until something better(more usuful) comes along. much of the difficulty occurs when a scientific "fact" become useful to someones agenda.
Dragon70816's profile

about 1 year ago
As you say, Quest, science is still in it's infancy, and as such has reached the toddler stage. Gets knocked down sometimes, but gets up and tries those steps again. Heaven help us when it reaches the teenage years.
redhand's profile

about 1 year ago
It's all contextual. The first thing a scientist does when he's working on something is to define his assumptions. (Please, no ass+U+me jokes...) Newton's physics are fine in the context in which they are useful, i.e. figuring gravitational pulls on apples on trees, etc. This is still true today even though our understanding of the universe is far different from Sir Isaac's.

So a scientist defines his context and chooses a tool that fits the context.

Is any of it absolute Truth? Who knows. Likely not. It doesn't even really matter, just so the results are consistent and repeatable. Scientific theories are great in the context of their definitions.

The sun will come up tomorrow. That is absolute truth, until the day comes when it is not.

about 1 year ago
That is the same question I have had for many years Quest and i am anxious to hear what the answer will be! I have said it all along...science proves a 'fact' but to me its still just a theory because their 'facts' are always changing!
Good question!
Ladyjane1554's profile

about 1 year ago
That's why most theories are called theories quest. A theory is not a fact or a law, it is a theory.

Scientist conclude theories on what they are able to observe. If what they observe changes, so does their theory. As technology improves what they observe may change,, so therefore does their theory.

When you can reach out and touch the earths center, then will we know for sure. For instance, a lot lot of earths evolution and history we know for sure, because we have touched the evidence. Our interpretations of that evidence may be theories, but not the evidence.
LifeLoveLaughter's profile

about 1 year ago
Scientists only find and interpret data which they research.

It is the marketing division of their research company which puts the spin on the findings in order to find a market for them.
allen42's profile

about 1 year ago
"Scientists conclude theories on what they are able to observe. If what they observe changes, so does their theory. As technology improves what they observe may change,, so therefore does their theory." So says LLL.

If your "theory" above were true, why do so many scientists disagree with each other on the things that they observe? Don't answer that. I already know. That was my point and the different interpretations are what makes me laugh about "science" in 2008.

Are there such things as scientific facts that ALL scientists agree with?
QUEST2006's profile

about 1 year ago
By now you probably know my position - it is all just dreaming. Dreams are like that - always shifting and changing. Just when you find out where it is at somebody moves it. All made up of wave-like patterns of energy that behave differently depending on who is looking and what that persons state of mind might be at the time.

Love and gratitude, Benny
misterbenny's profile

about 1 year ago
Yes, Quest, there are. Here is the way it works:

1) carefully frame the question...i.e. what is the ratio of a circle's diameter to it's circumference?

2) Experimentally determine the answer, specify the degree of accuracy required. i.e. accurate to two decimal places.

3) Publish your findings to a large group of your peers so they can try it themselves, i.e. "hey guys, the ratio I found through 348,000,993 trials was invariably 3.14. Here's my method. Here's where I think it is true. What do you guys think?

4) wait for results.

I don't know any serious scientists that materially disagree on the ratio of a circle's diameter to its circumference under "normal" conditions.

Most of the hoopla over the "changing" science is lack of understanding of the process of scientific investigation. Scientific investigation is as accurate as it needs to be, and some laymen can't deal with such a fluid concept.

about 1 year ago
Okay JD. You got one. Any more?
QUEST2006's profile

about 1 year ago
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