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Pictographs and Petroglyphs

According to Native American friends of mine, at least some of the
pictograph and petroglyph characters were creatures envisioned by
participants during sacred ceremonies which usually involved eating,
smoking, drinking or snorting hallucinogens. Many Native American
cultures of the past from North, Central and South America - as well as in
other parts of the world - used psychoactive substances and there are those
who use them today as well. Most often these are peyote, mushrooms
(psilocybin) or jimson weed though other substances are also used. I’ve
seen many pictographs (pictures painted on walls) and petroglyphs
(pictures chipped into rock) in the southwest since I moved to NM 36 yrs
ago and they include figures that look like space-suited aliens, spacecraft,
giraffes (an animal not known to ever have existed in the Americas),
people with square heads or crescent heads and fantastic flying creatures
that run the gamut from harpies (birds with human female heads) to
pterosaurs and just about everything in between. Art on cave or canyon
walls or rocks is not proof that dinosaurs existed any more than it proves
space aliens visited them, just that those who painted those figures were
on some righteously awesome trips to be able to visualize such things. I
reiterate the point that all the dinosaur bones found date to the age of the
dinosaurs. None of more recent vintage have ever been found. Even if our
present means of dating doesn’t yield perfectly accurate to-the-moment-
of-death results, the margin of error is off by a few thousand years at most,
not tens of millions of years. I am all for keeping an open mind and
exploring other ideas as long as they are plausible but I cannot in all
seriousness entertain the notion that dinosaurs survived the extinction
event then either hid out somewhere for 65 million years or continued to
reproduce in hiding for all that time only to reappear in Biblical or Mayan
times all without leaving any bones as tangible evidence.
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I am sure that you are probably right, that the drugs somehow induced the visions. I still have to believe that they already had some memory though to draw on in their visions......even if stories handed down. Of cause its something we will never know for sure. Hence the fascination.
I was in New Mexico once and we went to the cliff dwellings, we did not see all I would have liked to see and would love to go back. It was one of my favorite states.
We also went along the Colorado into red rock country and saw a lot of pictographs there as well. In a lot of them, it looked like they wore head dresses?
Its by bringing up these things that we get a different perspective, and you know more than some of us about these things and so its great that you can share RBC66. Ignore our meanderings and bring us back to reality any time you see us getting led astray.....haha
Espirit's profile

about 1 year ago
I know exactly what you mean about the headdresses. If you've ever seen the Hopi Kachina figures you can see the relation. White settlers called them Kachina Dolls or even Kachina Gods but their're neither. They're spirits of natural forces like thunder, lightning or animals like badgers and coyotes or even food, particularly maize. We moderns have no cultural frame of reference to help us identify these masks - besides, the headdresses were very stylized and abstract - so it's difficult for us to understand what the "point" of each one was. If you ever get to NM again one of the best set of pictographs is on the walls of Frijoles Canyon at Bandelier National Monument near Los Alamos. And on the west side of Albuquerque there's Petroglyph State Park. Both show figures with peculiar headdresses. There's even a "spaceman" at Bandelier!
RBC66's profile

about 1 year ago
Believe me when we go back I will have a list of places to go. What I did see was just to whet the appetite. I want to know a whole lot more.
Espirit's profile

about 1 year ago
it appears that early native peoples where always putting animal or insect heads on humans or interchanging body parts on their drawings.we even went thru a area where a ant-person was sort of a guide.
here are some of rock-art here in Oregon,i have seen a few of these and am still looking for location of others.
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will444doylee's profile

about 1 year ago
I am in the middle of reading an article about the Nephlim and how the old legends of 1/2 man and half beasts are known in about every civilization. Wonder why?
Espirit's profile

about 1 year ago
Thanks, Will. Those are great pics! And Espirit, I think the reason why there's so many examples of half-human/half-beast creatures is no mystery. The ancients were very in tune with nature; they had to be to survive. Many clans had an animal for their symbol or totem. In some cases those animals were worshipped for their attributes. I have Delaware Indian ancestry myself ('WAY back!) and they belonged to the turtle clan. Amerinds took "dreamquests" for guidance in the direction their lives should take and their spirit-guides were almost always some kind of animal or insect. Perhaps the nephilim are memories of an even more ancient time, ages before the Bible or even monotheism was conceived.
RBC66's profile

about 1 year ago
I love this thread!!! I am currently chasing down things here in Mexico, and there is SO MUCH!!!!!! To live in a country that has been a civilization for thousands of years is a real treat!
BajaHorseLady's profile

about 1 year ago
I have not been to Mexico but yes, I can appreciate that. There has to be so much there to discover. It is after all one of the most ancient of civilizations.
So much to explore. Can you take photos for us when you go out and about.
The very ancient of civilizations are what intrigue me. I dont think we give enough credit to the intelligence and knowledge of the ancients. I know science looks for ways to prove their theories but sometimes its better to look at the ancient legends and see things as those people may have seen the world around them. Things could have happened back then that we have no idea about and probably never will unless we listen to what they had to say.
Espirit's profile

about 1 year ago
This one I took in south central Oregon in 2005:

RubiconIII's profile

about 1 year ago
That looks like a turtle????
Espirit's profile

about 1 year ago
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