Allow me to first state that not all of Hillary's supporters are angry.
Some of my friends were fervent Hillary supporters and their primary
emotion at the present time is disappointment. And it's understandable
given the effort and emotional investment in their cause. My problem
is with the apparent minority of Hillary's supporters who spout venom
against Barack Obama and the world because Hillary lost the presidential
nomination.
Personally, I do not buy the argument that an anti-woman vote sank her
chances. Or, that a "press" which was negative toward her candidacy
caused her to fail. I seriously doubt that the anti-black vote was smaller
than the anti-woman vote around the nation. The evidence available
supports my assertion. White women by far have been the beneficiaries
of Equal Opportunity legislation suggesting far less resistance to equal
treatment of women than blacks. I also can not remember one instance
where Hillary was brought to task by the press for statements not made by
her. She was confronted by discrepancies between her stated remarks and
public records of the facts. Senator Obama was, and predictably will be in
the future, confronted with statements by individuals other than himself with
the complicity of the "press".
To Hillary's angry women followers, I would suggest the following:
-Support of the Republican candidate would seriously undermine any
gains women have made since 1968;
-Not voting in the upcoming election will have the same effect as
supporting the Republican candidate with the same dire results
for Women's rights;
-You are part of a coalition. Your coalition shares the bulk of your values
and goals although not necessarily your standard bearer. The same is
true for every other constituent group of the coalition.
It would be a tragedy if the angry followers of Hillary fall into essentially the same politically dysfunctional trap as poor whites vis-a-vis poor blacks.
Hillary's angry supporters
posted 4 months ago
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- 1. 4 months ago feywon wrote:
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Very well said.
i would hope that at this point people will think about what they honestly believe is best for the country, rather than creating that particular historic moment of a woman being sworn in as President.
i have heard many women echo my own sentiments: Being more concerned with having what we think is the right person at this critical time for the USA than we are with having a woman.
- 2. 4 months ago jamryn wrote:
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Good post - friend. To support a republican - at this time - would do a lot more than just undemining women. I was for Hilery, but Obama won fair and square so........ we move forward. Not standing still and never backwards....forward , saying "YES WE CAN"
- 3. 4 months ago OrangePOP33 wrote:
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I agree. It serves no good purpose to cut one's nose off to spite one's face. I am a Clinton Supporter and I am not angry at Obama at all. What I see was too good candidates who had different approaches, and the Democrats and Independents had a choice. They made their choice. I cannot fault that. And I am especially pleased that when Hilary lost this nomination, that the alternative candidate {Obama} didnt scare me to death like Bush does or like McCain Does. I was a huge McCain Supporter in his last bid, and I can personally tell you, that he flip flopped on so many things. He was against the Neocons and the Religious Extremists who want to legislate the OT version of Sharia in this country. Now he is so far up their butt, I smell his breath when they talk. NO WAY. Obama is a good candidate. And I shall be happy to cast my vote for him. Besides as a woman, McCain has made it very clear, that Equal Opportunity for women is not a priority. He will sacrifice that for the Religious Vote by upending abortion rights directly or indirectly. I cannot vote for someone who would sell me out like that. It would be stupid. And any woman who claims to be a hilary supporter who would go to McCain in spite of that, well I have no problem pointing out that she is stupid and ill informed and that vindictiveness obviously matters more to her and her kind than, accepting the defeat of her candidate graciously and making the best of it.
I have no patience with people like that.
Congratulations on the victory of Obama. It is a history event. And I hope he wins, it will be good for us all.
- 4. 4 months ago OrangePOP33 wrote:
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Sorry about the typos, distractions! So many distractions in my house!
- 5. 4 months ago RBC66 wrote:
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As usual, you've gone right to the heart of the matter. I supported Hillary Clinton but now that Barak Obama has the delegates to become the Democratic candidate I will vote for him in Nov. I am a bit disconcerted (to say the least) at how many people who say they will not vote at all now that Hillary is out of the running. Like you, I realize that not voting for Obama is tantamount to voting for McCain and I can't imagine how dire a situation this country will be in if there are four more years of Republican madness. I believe voting is not only a privilege, it's a duty more American citizens should take seriously.
- 6. 4 months ago johnH56 wrote:
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Sam - another fine blog. Politics is one arena in the marketplace for ideas. The issue ultimately is not the candidates but the ideas. The candidates more often than not are symbolic of ideas. Winning a campaign to run for president is not the same as winning the presidency. Nor is winning the presidency the same as winning a mandate to advocate and to achieve a slate of programs. So often politics is the art of the possible - and the result is yet another muddling through. Great revolutions are rare and wisely so.
Jimmie Carter is a fine man. He rode into office with less than majority support-- and never amounted to much as a president. IMHO.
Hopefully, Mr. Obama will not make the same mistakes as Jimmie Carter. A president must be a politician and an advocate of the possible. Hopefully, Mr. Obama is smart enough to learn that lesson now; and be able to reach out in some meaningful way to groups for which he has shown little understanding.
- 7. 4 months ago okhela wrote:
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"So often politics is the art of the possible - and the result is yet another muddling through. Great revolutions are rare and wisely so."
John, the only editorial change I would make to your comment is, Most often....
We do share some common ground.
- 8. 4 months ago rsb1953 wrote:
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Here is the horribly frightening thing. There are 4 rightwing zealots on the Supreme Court, and they always vote to restrict liberty and freedom. There is one swing vote on the Court, and he is a "moderate" rightwinger. There are 4 middle-of-the-road to slightly liberal Justices, and one of them is on death's door. If another Republican activist gets appointed to the Court, our country will be owned by Haliburton within 20 years, and we, the people, will never get it back. In a close election, the Court will always intervene and give the presidency to a Republican. God help us all.
Rightwing zealots:
Roberts, age 53.
Alito, age 58.
Scalia, age 72.
Thomas (Scalia's lapdog), age 59.
"Moderate" rightwing swing vote:
Kennedy, almost 72.
Middle-of-the-road to slightly liberal:
Stevens, age 88.
Ginsburg, age 75.
Breyer, age 70.
Souter, almost 69.
This may be the most important election in our lifetimes, the lifetimes of our children, and the lifetimes of our grandchildren. Unless you are a billionaire, please vote for Obama.
- 9. 4 months ago OrangePOP33 wrote:
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Let us pray or hope that all the attention being paid to people who supported Clinton but will not vote for Obama, is just more of the Fearmongering, indirect political manipulative crap they gotten so fond of recently.
As usual, the press goes for the least educated, articulate, most melodramatic people to represent "Everything."
Just take a look at their lastest Stereoptypical Zoo they offer us on the front page and on the web pages.
All the more reason to use the internet to connect and find and create not only a stable reality, but the image of a stable reality as well. Otherwise people loose hope and dont vote, or they vote based on emotional or spiteful idiocy.
I guess its up to everyone but the press to be the voice of reason in this unreasonable, corporate owned, Haliburton run nightmare.
- 10. 4 months ago starrybright wrote:
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I will be voting for Obama, decided that a long time ago. I don't talk politics much, but I'm not without an opinion.
I can say this; I'm not surprised by some pulling out the "It's Because She's A Woman" card (I'm so tired of hearing about the "woman/black thing. For god's sake, just let the best person for the job get on with it).
For me it wasn't that at all. I admire Hillary's commitment to healthcare and to her wanting to bring the troops home, and although I voted for Bill, I for one didn't want to see the Clinton's in the White house again.
Bill did lift us out of a recession but his behavior disappointed me. I'm told his behavior had nothing to do with politics, but for me it changed how I saw him.
I'm ready and I think this country is in need of a new younger perspective on things.
Starrybright
- 11. 4 months ago athenaone wrote:
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It is stunning to learn that this is such a left wing site. I had no idea until reading this post and the comments that followed. I am a moderate, mainstream professional woman and will not vote for Obama. He is frightening in his rheteric and has no experience to run the largest office in the world. People need to read and read more than left wing websites. Try reading open-mindedly from all sides of this issue and then think long and hard before casting a vote for what looks to be a Marxian Socialist. Socialism has not worked anywhere in the world and Europe is finding this out. They are voting the Socialist leaders out of office. Italy is the most recent example. Germany, France, Canada and others are other examples.
- 12. 4 months ago okhela wrote:
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It is difficult for me to imagine how one would view this site as "left wing". Be that as it may, there are numerous groups on this site who share your view. I would be interested in the recommendation you would give offer as "open minded". Although I try to avoid characterizing people as left or right, I subscribe to a few websites which are characterized as right wing. One can not be truly informed without some exposure to the entire playing field.
I'm completely confused by your references to Marxism and Socialism. Perhaps you would further explain the connection you are making with the content of this blog entry.
- 13. 4 months ago HAL9001 wrote:
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This site is by no means left wing. A “portion’ of the respondents might be, but those are just their opinions, a reflection of only those who choose to state their opinions.
If you are silent your thoughts are heard only by you.
What specifically is frightening to you that Obama has said? That should be an easy answer, assuming that one can support the assertion.
Socialist? Again please be specific. Often social plans are misinterpreted, misrepresented as Socialist. Not that those detractors even understand what Socialism (or Marxism) is in the first place.
I think that you will find that those of us who are viewed as left of center are quite open minded, read and watch news and opinion from a wide assortment of sources including Fox, Newsmax, Drudge, & Britebart as well as LA & NY times, CNN, ABC, NPR & PBS.
- 14. 3 months ago ChefJan wrote:
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Okehela,
Nice Blog ! I am a Hillary supporter and I am voting for OBama. I am personally very proud of the former First Lady. I think she began her campaign in a slow fashion banking on her husband's influences in a way, coupled with the notion that a Black Man in America could never beat her. Just my opinion ..... however having said that, Senator OBama is a very impressive man and I will support him and his chosen Vice Presidential canditate every step of the way. All my good wishes to you Okhela from South Florida.
~~Cheffie~~
- 15. 3 months ago jupiter57 wrote:
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You know I am completely blown away when I hear (and hear it a lot but this is Clinton City, USA) Democrats who were Hillary supporters tell me that now that Obama has the nomination, they are switching their vote to McCain- ? How does that even begin to make sense? I always ask "what? why? didn't you just tell me you are a Democrat?"... and some of the answers I've gotten are too obscene to repeat...it takes my breath away, and not in a good way... and it IS frightening to hear people vocalize this mindset as there is so much riding on this election.
