Illegal Immigration Debates

posted about 1 year ago, updated about 17 hours later

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1. about 1 year ago estoban wrote:

It takes great intelligence and high moral character to be strait forward as you are and not stoop to belittling those you speak to. I admire that.

2. about 1 year ago ChelseaLad wrote:

My main problem with accepting anyone who comes across the border from Mexico or from Latin American countries is "why are they coming here?" I have been to Mexico several times. It is not the land of opportunity that America is but you can live quite comfortably if you get a decent education and obey the law. There are no police in the streets shooting people. We are not a war with them. How in the world are they ever going to improve themselves as a republic if everybody who doesn't like the place comes to America? Let them become political activists in their own country. I have absolutely no problem with a sensible guest worker program. If we don't have foreigners picking fruits and vegetables here, the same fruits and vegetables will be grown somewhere else and America will have to import them at higher prices. But when the picking is through, its back to the land of Montezuma for our friends from the south. That's not heartless. America is full of people who need help. Let's help them first and worry about the Mexicans later. There are tons of Africans and Chinese who live in poverty. They only reason they are not here is because there is no land bridge. I would like to see some of the people who constantly put down America immigrate illgally to Canada. Canada has a wonderful system of social services. They can go to Quebec and refuse to learn French. I respect anyone's opinion even though I differ to the point of anger. Nothing is accoplished by attacking someones character rather than their opinion. Unfortuantely, we in in a time of "the politics of destruction," which is a blight on our civil society.

3. about 1 year ago KULPN wrote:

I think the word "illegal" says it all. We are not against immigration. We are against doing illegal things. I have been to Canada and Mexico. Had to sign in & sign out with proof of ID, intention etc. They do not have OPEN BORDERS, yet we are expected to just let anyone come & go at their will. What about the women who come across the border, give birth at the taxpayer's expense & then have a child who is a US citizen automatically. How can we afford to support illegals? California and Texas, Florida, Arizona etc are having an awful time. We in Florida, value the migrant workers. Yes, they do a great job. So....let them come here legally and continue to work in peace, not fear. Maybe if they were legal residents, they would actually get a Driver's license and insurance, unlike the way it is now in Florida. The majority of illegal aliens drive illegally also. They also have accidents and no insurance.
I believe in Foster Children too, but I would not open my home to an ever increasing number of them, coming & going, and expect to provide for them well. There has to be some limit on immigration and to start making if harder for illegals is the first step.
Yes, most americans have an immigrant background but times have changed. Most immigrants from Europe, Asia, enter legally. It is our southern border where most of our illegals enter.
And while I am on my soap box, I think English is the first language of the USA. If people come here, they should speak English. I don't care what they speak in their homes, but know the language. I am tired of pressing 1 for English!
Illegal Immigration should not be tearing us apart, it should be resolved once and for all. It does not mean we are hatemongers if we desire a legal system for immigration & that it be enforced. I don't know what you are referencing as far as IQ and character. No one said illegals are stupid. In fact, they are just the opposite. They managed to get around the law and stay here illegally. Must have some brains to do that. As for character, I would think they would want to be here legally and actually be a citizen of this great country. Instead they go to bed wondering when they will get caught. That is the dilemma of doing something "Illegal."

4. about 1 year ago daw1956 wrote:

You are right PtJeffersongirl, this issue is extremely important to most Americans. It is one that requires patience and respect. Those who call for security at our ports and borders are not being racist. Nationality nor skin color has nothing to do with upholding the laws of this country or wanting to be safer. There are thousands of people outside the USA that have filled out an application to come here, taken a number and are waiting patiently for their turn, some for years. I do not believe that it is fair for those who broke into America, disregarded the law, lie everyday about their status to get jobs and take any benefits meant for our citizens to have the priviledge of enjoying everything America has to offer while they wait for amnesty. The others who have done it the right way, are not able to enjoy the fruits of our country while they wait. If we need 12-20 million more people, I say, bring in those lawabiding applicants and deport the lawbreakers. I don't understand how parents could even consider leaving their child in another country. If I have to leave, my children are coming with me. We are not breaking up families, they choose to leave the kids behind. Most were born only to force a connection to this country-It is an archaeic law from long ago, being exploited today and needs to be changed. No matter where I have a child, it is still my child, American, because I am American.
To: KULPN, I believe PtJeffersongirl was refering to IQ and character attacks on herself, not illegal aliens.

5. about 1 year ago KULPN wrote:

Yes, I misunderstood the comment about IQ and character. Mea culpa.

6. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

It is imperative that we continue to email, fax, and call our Reps on this issue! It is coming down to the wire! We cannot afford to lose this battle. It truly means the survival of the United States....Or the end of it for our future generations.

7. about 1 year ago TAD1939ILL wrote:

The very idea that this is a "guest worker" program is ludicrous. The Senate of the United States, led by Harry Reid s attempting to ram this program thru without having it debated in public hearings where the lousy bill would be exposed for what it is, a gigantic fraud on the citizens of the U. S. These new "citizen's" would have the following benefits, incidentally, which they did not work for, Access to Social Security, access to medical facilities whether they can pay or not, (guess who pays if they don't) access to housing, (want 30 Mexicans living next door in a home designed for 5?) . Here is the bottom line, the vast majority of our "guests" have no desire to become Americans, to learn English, to swear allegiance to The United States of America, They are here for one reason and one reason only, money is the answer. Billions and Billions of US dollars are flowing back across the border into Mexico. The answer is simple, we must stop this bill in it's tracks, now. Make your desires known to your senators and congressman. Do it now. Later will be to late!!!!!!!!!!!!

8. about 1 year ago Valleygalbabs wrote:

The operative word here is "illegal". Additionally, social services offered and used by "illegals" is upsetting to me. In addition to this, many obtain work visas legally and stay in this country for many years building social security accounts that whem payable, go to the countries these folks "call" home for retirement there. I find that the fact our dollars are being spent in other countries a negative issue. In California, many healthcare workers earning large dollars do this and return to the Philapenes. Dollars eaned are returned to Mexico and other south american countries daily. This is wrong.

In no way does standing up for America and our values and way of life mean we degrade others. I for one find the stories of what some do to cross our borders a disturbing story and can only imagine how hard life must be to attempt to cross into this country.

Assimilation by education, learning the language and all that is offered in the US will only deter the immigrant from workng the farms and lands. Yet, with assimilation, our respect and acceptance is earned.

Catch 22. Yes. Human Rights are important, but as someone else said, our own families deserve the dollars to improve and develope those folks. We need to provide our own good healthcare and education.

So what do we do?

9. about 1 year ago Valleygalbabs wrote:

My thought to correct this issue is to mimic the immigration rules and standards of our neighbors to the north and south of us. Thus creating a equality amoung all.

10. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

Our Middle Class is disappearing, the only ones who would survive this onslaught is the top 1% of the rich. They will probably live in Secured Compounds... The rest of us will on our own!!

11. about 1 year ago obent77 wrote:

Can anyone tell me why it is that anytime the problem of illegal immigration comes up the discussion focuses on Mexicans? Obviously they are not the only ones here illegally without docunetation. One poster mentioned who wants 30 Mexicans living beside them so I would like to ask; what percentage of undocumented people are actually from Mexico. Also what do you suggest we do with the 12-20 million undocumented people and what effect do you think their removal, if possible, would have on our economy?

12. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

I personally have NEVER mentioned Mexicans' per se!! I have never mentioned skin color.. I am for protecting our country's borders and people coming here legally. Period. We need to go after employers' put the CEOS' of these companies in jail with hefty fines who hire illegals.
Asking the American people to take care of the world is ludicrous, bordering on insanity. These people need to fix their own countrys. It is called responsibility........

13. about 1 year ago Teejay03 wrote:

you can call me a racist if you want, I do think more of this country than to let vermin take over. I think it's time for some military duty right here, let Iraqi's kill each other and have allah sort it out. F' them all, and if you don't like my opinion, kiss my a'

14. about 1 year ago recab wrote:

Jeffersongirl, It seems to me that you advocate inforcement of the law in its present form. We are a country based on the rule of law. There is no way to disagree with your position; that is why name calling and the like is the only option left for some one who disagrees with you. If they do not like the law as it is, the burden is on them to get a change. They may insult you and resort to name calling without foundation but you are in a position to call them anarchists because, by definition, that is exactly what they are.
But there is another level to this issue and we all know that. Democrats know that children of illegals are citizens and will vote democrat. Republicans pick up about 35% of the Latino vote and do not want to offend leagal immigrant voters. So the House and Senate play a two faced game, they want to please you and not offend Legals at the same time. It is of course an impossible game and the only course left is to do nothing. I expect the future to hold the same, nothing.
When I retired, I could have moved anywhere I wanted. Arizona would have been perfect, save the problem with illegals. I do not want to pay taxes for services that go to people who did not play by the rules as I have. At first, Florida seemed too 20th Century, if you will, for retirement. However central Fl. and a small town, has met my requirements for the Golden Years. When its time to take your money and move some where warm, there are two choices. The Southwest where you get to pay for illegals, or the Southeast where the problem is less "taxing".

15. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

teejay03:
I certainly hope that comment wa not meant for me.. I have not called anyone racist, but have been called that myself many many times on Political Discussions group.. I will continue to do what I can to help save our country..

16. about 1 year ago Texasgirl53 wrote:

I have been hearing more and more lead by example: If our goverment officials can't be held liable for ILLEGAL actions that are punishable by courts how can you punish a Mexican or Latin decent person for trying to earn a average wage. The jobs they are doing are not high paying or high benefits, and certainly not cheating some American citizen out of it! Please correct me if they alleged illegals are taking high paying jobs away from deserving American citizens?

17. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

It is a matter of legal/illegal entry. You are talking atleast 12-20 million people invading our Country. It is not a matter of their nationality, it is that they need to take responsibility for their own govt.. It is a matter of them sending money back to their home country rather than spend it here in the U.S.. They have broken our laws by coming here illegally. There are many Immigrants waiting in line and resent the attitude that people coming here illegally think that the United States owes them something.......

18. about 1 year ago Susy137 wrote:

The inmigration issue is so complicated, people want to come to USA because they believe that the ÄMERICAN DREAM exist. They are following the premise that if you drive a brand new car you will be happy. Our modern civilization is focused in material things.
If the people in USA stop to use cheaper ILLEGAL worker they should don´t come.
It is nice to have a child keeper who live in our home and do all the work for less a 100.00 per week. Come on . . . just we need to obey the law first. If the farmers are going to pay the right salary to a legal residents we will pay a each orange per 1.00 Dlls, Scaring !!!!

19. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

susy137:
I can only repeat what I have said. Legal/Illegal entry. Does your babysitter pay taxes on that income or is it cash under the table? Does this babysitter qualify for any of our public services? There are many of them draining us dry.

20. about 1 year ago RobtC wrote:

I, for one, and sure that not all illegals are Mexicans, but, since we have no idea of who is actually here, how can we tell what percent is what? Some cities have actually made it unlawful for the police to ask about immigration status when making an arrest. I can only say, what part of ILLEGAL is it that people have trouble understanding? The guest worker program is just amnesty in a different colored rapper. They are not paying into the system, but seem to be taking the greatest amount out of it. Not against immigration, and most people in this country have some sort of family that immigrated, unless you are Native American. They raided a company not too far from here last week and found over 80 illegals working in the factory, not all Mexican, and people seemed to be surprised that it was going on. If the people who employ these illegal workers were subject to losing their business, spending time in jail, losing personal possessions, would they not think about where their employees are coming from , and the immigration status?

21. about 1 year ago HerbLady33 wrote:

I live in Tucson...the Wells Fargo bank down on the corner has a big banner on the side of the building, reminding all Spanish speakers that they can wire up to $2k American back to Mexico each day. The Walgreen's across the street also has a large Spanish language banner on it's building, reminding Spanish speakers to sign up for Medicare. I could go on, but the point is that Corporate America is not going to ignore 12-20 million of anything that makes & spends money. Corporate America cannot trace it's heritage back to 1776, does not care who lives next-door and won't be hurt when an illegal takes your job. Corporate America has all the Congressmen it can buy, and without our constant reminders those Congressmen are going to vote the way they have been paid to vote.

I've seen my city trashed by those "new to the country" who do not share our values, much less our language & history. Becoming an American is a privilege, but why bother when Congress is giving away citizenship rights without all the fuss of due process? E-mail Congress and tell them to stop this latest attempt at legislating immigration, enforce the 1986 statutes, and most of all, close the border!! We've got all we can handle, I've seen them, and you will, soon.

22. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

herblady:
I have seen what is going on, we have Tyson's Meat Packing here in my town, believe you me I know what you are saying. My neighborhood has been taken over that I have lived in for over 20 years. I write, fax, call my reps. ALL THE TIME. I will not give up till the fat lady sings....................

23. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

robtc:
Yes it is a mess, and ofcourse we don't have alot af answers because our Govt. refuses to do anything, this does not mean that the average American is not fighting to get the govt. to enforce the laws we already have. I for one will continue to contact my reps., and advise everyone to do the same. We have made a difference by our outcry, we cannot give up, it is much too important!

24. about 1 year ago guenavere wrote:

I have read all of the threads and most seem to agree with the fact that illegal alians are destroying our culture and our country. All I can say is that it is a sad day when illegals can live better than the average tax paying American.

25. about 1 year ago fogelman wrote:

Social Security was established as a partial retirement benefit for Citizens who contributed to the system. The Senate has voted to allow "illegal" aliens (non-citizens) to have access to our Social Security benefits. Citizenship should be required as a basis for eligibility for social servicees, and in particcular, Social Security benefits in the United States. My husband will be retiring soon, and he has worked many years so he could draw his Social Security benefits. Why should someone who is not a citizen of this country have to right to come here and get everything for free. I know money and politics is behind all of this, but it is still not right.

Fogleman

26. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

fogleman:
It isn't right and it isn't fair for this Amnesty Bill to pass. Please contact your reps and tell everyone you know to contact them, we are making a difference!!!

27. about 1 year ago obent77 wrote:

We all obey the laws we choose to obey. Teejay tells me to kiss her ass if I do not like her comment. She is breaking the rules of joining this blog for 50s and older so how about that law? We all speed from time to time and that is breaking the law also. What we need to do is try to discuss ways of solving the problem that exists. We all know what the problem is and we have stated it ad nauseum. What do we do now? Do we ship out 12 to 20 million people to their original homelands? If we cannot do so what do we do? I did not refer to anyone as a racist although I would if I felt like it but that would not solve the situation. Let us discuss how we solve it and get beyond 'they are taking our social security' because that is not happening. They do not pay income tax but they pay sales tax and cannot draw any social security. They work for all of us at lower wages and if they committ any crimes they are arrested and most times they are deported. Again I say there are Englishmen and Germans and Frenchmen and even Canadians here illegally and if we don't know who they are how do we know that they are here? Lets calm down and see if we can come up with a way to solve this crisis rather than calling others names and questioning our rights to comment. How about discussing solutions?

28. about 1 year ago daw1956 wrote:

to: texasgirl53, you said that illegal workers are not taking good paying jobs from Americans.
That is not true! My husband was an electrician for 30 years, he was replaced by 2 illegals who agreed to split his pay and did not need insurance benefits. I know of many construction workers, roofers,painters,plumbers,carpenters etc...who no longer have jobs, who were replaced with lower paid (Spanish only speaking) ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS. I live in Texas, near Houston which is a sanctuary city, and our town is becoming a majority of spanish speaking, food pantry and food stamp seeking people. AND MOST ARE PREGNANT

29. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

obent:
I am very calm, and I can't pick and choose which laws I want to obey, neither can illegal aliens. I will continue to fight illegal immigration.

30. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

daw1956:
Thank you for your reply, it is amazing how many posters act like it isn't affecting anyone. This Amnesty Bill must go down in flames!

31. about 1 year ago daw1956 wrote:

Ok, obent77, here's one solution: deport ALL those who have come here illegally, give them an application as they leave-tell them to follow the American Law!
If we need 12-20 million workers (which I doubt) then let in those who applied legally and have been waiting their turn.
Those who broke the law (and by the way-has taught that to their children) should not be granted the right to enjoy all that America has to offer, while they wait to be made legal. While lawabiding applicants have to continue waiting patiently outside this country.

32. about 1 year ago Zotzic wrote:

I care about the environment, am for separation of church and state, believe in evolution and am open-minded about many things; yet, if you believe the pundits on both the left and the right I am a narrow-minded, xenophobic racist. Wrong! (1) To have a sovereign country you need to have a border. (2) If you believe in supply and demand and you create a condition for an endless supply of labor, you will depress wages to point of strangling the middle-class (which is well under way, cough, cough). (3) Cheap tomatoes sounds like a good deal, but the taxpayer pays heavily for those tomatoes in medical costs (free health care at emergency rooms at $500-$800) per visit, free education for kids of illegals (and legal immigrants, mind you) at the cost of about 7 to 10 thousand dollars per kid, per year, social costs, legal costs, community lifestyle costs, and much, more. Are those tomatoes worth it? And, even if they are, you may note that farmers can't even attract illegals, given the construction and other industries paying more money for less strenuous work--sometimes much more money (but less than they used to pay legal citizens who are now out of work). (4) the bleeding heart phenomena (and I a'int one of those) goes something like: we as world citizens need to open our land to anyone that we consider less fortunate than we are. Uh, does that mean that bleeding hearts will bear the burden of this graciousness? Uh, no, the bleeders want to force everyone to bleed. If you ask them, including George Bush, how they would feel if I moved into their house and partook of their good fortune because they had more and had it easier than me, they would have me arrested, but what is really the difference on a collective level. The excuse by liberals and ethnic apologists is "they want a better life". The excuse by the business class is globalization. That sounds good, but I wonder if the journalists, pundits, CEOs, politicians, and economists, would be so sanguine if we could replace them with esteemed and competent professionals from India and China at one tenth the cost. Geez, Time magazine for only a quarter, what a deal! (5) Environmentally, the world is overpopulated already. An environmentally concerned person who thinks with the brain instead of the politically correct, social justice template of groups like the Sierra Club, realizes that many undeveloped countries, like Mexico, Haiti, and others, unable to support the population they have with their economy, unwilling to tell people to have children only if they can support them, just export them to sucker countries in the West. Florida has a very big problem finding enough water for the population. Is that stopping the developers, business interests, politiicians, and Latino/Cuban pressure groups from promoting building, growth and a come-on-down/up mentality? No sir, it does not.

It is so simple and so easy to use labels--xenophobe, racist. Those, I am not. But tyrannical, I would be to those who want to sell our country out and deprive my descendants of the probability of a decent life in a demographically stable United States.

33. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

zotzic:
Excellent post!

34. about 1 year ago dannop51 wrote:

Don't for a minute think there isnt a political motive behind the Kennedy immigration bill. What political party do you think most of these immigrants will register in and vote for????
I am all for immigation...LEGAL immigration. We should not reward those who break our laws.

35. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

dannop51:
It's all about the votes, but if they were to get into power we can watch as our Constitution goes down the toilet!

36. about 1 year ago Jerseywoman wrote:

I don't understand why this should be tearing us apart-they are illegal-that says it all right there. Why is that so hard to understand?
In my part of Florida the problem has been growing because there are places in the southwest where they have to answer and own up to being illegal, so they have been coming here. There is a group right around the corner from me and I do mean group. It's one small townhouse with 2 bedrooms but there are at least 15 people there at any given time.
I took a friend to the hospital and there were 2 girls both pregnant filling out forms for healthcare but since they couldn't speak english the hospital was scurrying around to find some one who could help them. My point being that they couldn't speak the language but they knew about the benefits. It has just gotten out of hand. I would like to have the social security that I paid into for many years, but it probably won't be there because someone who hasn't paid in will probably get my money.

37. about 1 year ago Toni238 wrote:

I think that we must start with the obvious. We must secure our borders. All the borders, Canada as well. After that is done, we must enforce the laws that are already on the books. If there are no jobs in this country for anyone without the correct papers, then it would make sense they will quit coming. All companies, big and small must be held accountable. Make it very expensive to hire an illegal, from any country. Companies that own apartment complexes and rental homes must be held accountable when they lease to an illegal. Again, if they don't have any where to live here they will quit coming. I think that anyone who can't show the correct paperwork is not entitled to any government handouts. This includes mothers walking into a hospital 2 minutes before the baby arrives. All care should be taken to see that she is cared for until she and the baby can be deported. No instant citizenship. Once again, if these young women know they will be deported and not gain anything for the child they will quit coming here. I also think that if a police officer pulls over ANYONE he should be allowed and obligated to ask for what ever paperwork is necessary. I will get off my soap box now with this one personal comment on my part. I have to mention that I really get worked up when I hear the likes of Harry Reid call illegal aliens, "Undocumented Americans"! NO NO NO! There is just such thing! You are an American or your not. End of discussion Mr. Reid. I hope I have not offended anyone. Just my 2 cents.

38. about 1 year ago CritterAngel wrote:

We all have our reasons for wanting the borders closed. You are right, race isn't one of them.

The illegal issue will never be settled unless every legal citizen acts and then we may not be able to stop it. They want a North American Union. For the North American Union to come into full swing, America has to become bankrupt. The borders will remain open for these purposes. Some people just can't see the importance to closing our borders. Once we become one with Canada and Mexico, we will be seeing Bush sr. One World Order come into the picture. The NAU and the OWO will come to pass. It is Bibical prophecy. But maybe we could slow it down.

39. about 1 year ago Graycloak wrote:

The old expression "politics makes strange bedfellows" really fits on this issue. Some of the Democrats think legitimizing the illegal immagrants is a threat to organized labor (and they are correct). On the other side, many Repuiblicans consider rewarding people who show great disdain to our laws and constitution is morally reprehensible (they are right also). I just hope this coalition holds together and we get a bill that improves border security only, establishes a verifiable and public method to prove it, not just once but periodically (say every 6 months). After that is established we can deal with the next issue, what to do with the illegals here and the businesses that employ them. There is another old saying, "let's eat this elephant one bite at a time".

40. about 1 year ago HerbLady33 wrote:

PtJeffersongirl, how would you feel about e-mailing this portion of your blog to Congress? This topic certainly resonates with everyone, and all respondents have been thoughtful and articulate. Maybe those in DC need to read what real Americans have to say on this most sensitive issue.

41. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

herblady33:
I have requested to eons permission to send it, I hope I hear back from them. Thank you for your posts, and I thank everyone else too for replying to such an important Issue!

42. about 1 year ago obent77 wrote:

I wish to share an editorial in today's Tulsa World. This is one of the better commentaries that I have read in terms of its levelheadedness. It mentions some of our local politicians but I share it with you:

DOES ANYONE HAVE A PLAN?

Here are questions that have been asked in this space of our congressional delegation many times, but they are worth asking again and again: If the illegal immigration problem can be solved what is your exact plan? Further, what is to be done with the 12 million, maybe more, illegals already here?

Those same questions were recently posed by Tulsa World Washington Bureau reporter Jim Myers to Sen. Jim Inhofe and First District Rep. John Sullivan and he didn't get a good answer either.

Concerning some sort of system to send illegals back to Mexico before they could pursue legal status, Inhofe said: "I think they should, but you know we are getting in more detail than I am comfortable with." He further told Myers that the issue is a "very difficult thing."

Yes, senator, it is. But senators and congressmen deal with difficult things every day. That's what we elect them and pay them for. And this difficult thing didn't simply pop up yesterday. It's been brewing for years. It is possibly the hottest and most polarizing issue in this political season.

The senator also said: "There is not a way to send people back -- first of all to identify them and secondly to send them back."

Sending them back is what most of the anti-immigration faction seems to think is necessary. And as much as they say they would welcome them as legals, it's hard to believe them.

Sullivan has been a vocal critic of President George Bush's comprehensive plan that continues to linger in Congress with little chance of passage.

His response to Myers' questions: "Well, they got here. I think they need to get home."

OK, congressman. Exactly how do you plan to do that? How many federal agents will it take to first find and then round up millions of illegal immigrants? Do we simply arrest every Hispanic, legal or not, give them some sort of badge and then put them all in camps until we sort out the legals from the illegals? Do we deport the children born in the United States and are thereby legal citizens along with their parents?

Once they are deported, how many border patrol agents and how long and high a fence will we need to keep them from returning?

The sad truth is that few, if any, politicians have any real answers to the illegal immigration problem. Unfortunately, too many politicians are playing to the vocal wings of their parties who don't really care about real solutions but simply want end what they call an "invasion."

What we get are platitudes. All a politician has to do is echo the hardline by damning "amnesty" and condemning "open borders" and being horrified over "sanctuary cities" and the votes fall in line.

Will any of our elected delegation address specifics? Maybe not, because they know that there are few alternatives other than some sort of amnesty to get control of a problem that is placing a burden on our social services as well as causing a serious rift in this country.

Even Bush's controversial proposal has serious flaws. But give the president credit for at least trying to do something.

It's not just politicians who seem confused or evasive. A recent Gallup Poll showed that 60 percent of the people who have followed the president's immigration plan oppose it. An April USA Today/Gallup poll, however, reported that only 14 percent of those asked wanted to send illegal immigrants back to Mexico with no hope of returning.

It must be clear to even the most politically motivated of politicians that we are not going to be able to just get rid of 12 million illegal immigrants. Therefore, a solution must be found.

Of course, illegals are putting a strain on social services. Most illegals use high-cost emergency rooms for medical care. There, they know that they will not be refused help and that no paper trail will be established that could lead to their deportation. Giving them some sort of legal status could help ease that problem.

But to say that a group that makes up about 5 percent of the total U.S. workforce contributes nothing is untrue and foolish. They pay sales taxes and, directly or indirectly, property taxes. Most, of course, pay no federal income tax or Social Security tax because most are paid in cash. But neither are most of them collecting Social Security or Medicare because most are not old enough and won't be for quite a while.

Giving them some sort of legal status could help solve that problem also.

The issues in this problem are many and difficult. No one expects a perfect solution. But we ought to expect our politicians to take the time to seriously consider the problem and come up with some fair and workable solutions.

We ought to expect more of them than mere pandering to vocal voting blocs. But maybe that's too much to ask for.

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43. about 1 year ago Zotzic wrote:

I want to answer the question posed by the pro-illegal correspondents in this thread (who echo the likes of Bush, McCain and media pundits). The issue they voice is "what are you gonna do with 12 million illegal aliens." This red herring question is posed in that way to humiliate and cow the average and presumably kind-hearted American so as not be seem like a jack-booted thug who would round up terrified families, put them in jails and then cattle cars to toss them across the border.

The actual answer is simple: You do not need to round up anybody. Illegal immigrants will leave on their own. Why would they do that? If there are no jobs and no services, there is no way the normal person could or would stay here. What you need to do to effect that is enforce existing law against employers and enact new laws for those individuals and municipalities that hire and/or harbor illegals. So called sanctuary cities should have any federal or state tax support withdrawn in equal measure to the cost of services to illegals (the cost of medical, social service, and education are huge and would quickly get the attention of taxpayers--even in San Francisco). Would there be pockets of folks who manage to stay here? probably, but the numbers would be small.

Let me address one more issue. When I see the number 12 million quoted by defenders of illegal immigration, I immediately feel that I know the template through which these people see the issue. When you look at most of the statistics on the number of illegals here, you generally get the number 12-20 million, sometimes up to 30 million. So why not split to the middle and say 16 million? The answer seems to be to be one of intellectual honesty--the low ball figure is less alarming and if your position is pro-illegal you will pick and choose numbers that are less damaging to your position. At what point does an influx of outsiders become alarming? 50 million? That figure is in play already as a probability given the current legislation. What about 100, 200, 500 million? There are many special interest groups, advocates, and church leaders that do not see these numbers as problems. And that...that should be a clarion call to the rest of us.

44. about 1 year ago estoban wrote:

Zotzic is right! there are 1100 measures in State and local governments passed or pending to lower benefits, increase deterrents and go after employers hiring illegals. States are fed up with the Feds ineptness. Example: Arizona's State legislative bodies have both passed by large majorities a measure that will permanently take away a company's business license on the second offense of knowingly hiring an illegal. If our Governor vetoes it we have a ballot proposition that is even tougher to put on the next ballot.

My Dad used to say "It all depends on whose ox is being gored!" Mr. President and Senators we have news for you. The vast majority of the American people know that their ox is being gored and if you won't do anything about it, we will.

45. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

obent77:
Fine and jail anyone caught hiring illegal aliens to start with, if they have no income they will be forced to go back to their home lands. It would be a start.

46. about 1 year ago Willxxssi wrote:

Wait just a minute. This is not Harry Reid's bill - it is George W. Bush's bill. It is his Republican right-wingers in the Senate who would rather NOT have a bill than to have one they disapprove of. Let's let the blame lie where it should and that is with Bush. He has *winked* his eye for the last almost 8 years at the illegal problem, and so let's not blame this situation on Harry Reid or the Democrats. Also remember, the other last great failed immigration bill was signed under the great Ronald R. Reagan - a lot of good that one did.

"The Senate of the United States, led by Harry Reid s attempting to ram this program thru without having it debated in public hearings where the lousy bill would be exposed for what it is, a gigantic fraud on the citizens of the U. S."

47. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

willxxi:
I am sure the Dems would not mind the few extra millions of votes, and there is nothing nice I can think of to say about Bush or Cheney on any subject!

48. about 1 year ago HerbLady33 wrote:

Zotic & Estoban have it right, if the Feds won't enforce their own laws the states must do it for them. Governors Napolitano (AZ) and Richardson (NM) recently signed a letter to Dubya begging him to just keep his promises to these states that are bleeding money trying to keep up with social services and enforcement. Instead, Dubya approved a State Department plan to cherrypick the Border Patrol and send them to Iraq (with $26k signing bonuses and $136K upon return) to train Iraqis to enforce their own borders.

The Federal Government may have forgotten us but our National Guard is local and they are as affected by this as the rest of us. Bring them back from Iraq and send them to ALL of our borders for enforcement.

49. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

herblady33:
If the Federal and State govt. doesn't do anything about it then it is going to get ugly-- I don't think Americans' are going to sit back and just take it, and if I see one more hispanic kid wearing our Flag like a coat and trampling all over it I'm going to scream!

50. about 1 year ago giovanna wrote:

Today my brain is working so today I will speak. This is a volatile issue and almost everyone has an opinion on it. That is a good thing if all of your information is correct. Before I make the rest of my comment I would like to say that I believe that we need secure friendly boarders and we need do know who is in this country if they were not born here. Most of us are daughter and sons to a degree, of immigrants. Where would you be if your ancestors had not come or been brought here? How many of us know if our ancestors came here legally or illegally.

First of all the comment that there are no police in the streets shooting people is false. Not only are there police in the streets there are people being arrested for unfounded charge (some Americans), people being stopped on the streets and intimidated for bribes (common in Mexico), people being beheaded and heads and bodies showing up in public places as warnings to the police who are not corrupt, drug dealers running cities (with the protection of the police), thousands of women being murdered with no one held responsible that is whole other story). I can add more but it will be too long. The drug dealers intimidate and sometimes force poor people to do things in order to protect their families. As of a few months ago many cities now are under military control, Juarez, being one of them. The military is in the street and very visible.

The only the drug dealers have so much power in Mexico or any other country is because of the demand for their product; and the United States is the biggest offender when it comes to Mexico and most of the South American countries. Stop buying or make it legal and they won’t have any money or power.

The government provides a 6th grade education in Mexico. Children are required to go to school, if the is one close enought for you to attend.? After that you have to pay. I am not so sure how much money one can make on a 6th grade. The Indian population in Mexico is much larger than that of the United States and the villages are much more remote. Education here is sparse in some areas. Paying for an education in Mexico is for the wealthy.

Relations with Mexico have become strained over this issue and a few others. If we lock ourselves up behind walls we will surely choke and die while the global marketplace thrives around us. Where is the security in that? One would think that we would be making our closest neighbors our closest ally’s that is only common sense. With Hugo Chaves trying to mobilize South America against the US we are going to need all the friends we can get. He just announced today that he is mobilizing his military in anticipation of a US attack for their oil. This man had been trying to create his own little USSR in South America and is making a lot of progress. He influences elections with his money from his oil profits that we are paying for. Last year he tried to create havoc in Mexico by claiming that the elections were rigged and that Lopez who he was supporting with money should have won. Things are so bad for the poor in Mexico that the uneducated people believe what he is saying and the government is no help because for many many years the poor have been ignored. We need Mexico as a partner in this world not an enemy, as an equal not a lesser nation. We should be seen as heroes to the poor of Mexico because if we are not Hugo Chavez will surely make himself their hero. That is how communism is kept alive. Always rember there are basically two classes of people in Mexico, very wealty or very poor.

True there are many impoverished Africans and Chinese in the world but the African’s and Chinese do not have a potential to help protect this country’s boarders. African’s and Chinese do not serve in the American military in the numbers that Hispanics, particularly Mexicans, do. Many of there young soldiers take the chance of dying for this country without the promise of compensation for their families that American soldiers have.

On a purely selfish note, we need workers, we need immigrants. We need more people who want to become citizens of this country. We need more guest workers. The stagnant population growth of this country will not sustain Social Security, period. Now we either throw that baby out or we find a new source of money. As a matter of fact the Hispanic population is growing faster that any other group in this country. These are the children who are going to be paying for my Social Security and my daughter’s Social Security. I think the reason that the issue of amnesty is given any thought is because this country enticed most of these people to stay here and didn’t do anything about it at the time. I know for a fact that in Ohio years ago many migrant workers were brought to the United States to work legally and illegally. One of the major soup companies decided to build a plant in the area and hired these workers at wages that seemed very high to them. They stayed and have lived here, some for 20 years. This is true inn just about every state in this country to some degree. Companies hire illegal workers all the time. If you do not want them here do not hire them and fine companies thousands of dollars for doing so. Make it worth their while not to hire them. On another note it is going to cost a fortune to find everyone who is not legal.

If your children were starving (and believe me you have no idea what that means) you would do what ever you had to fee them. That includes crossing miles of desert on foot over mountains sometimes to get a chance to allow them to survive. Many have been found dead in the last few years, some of them whole families.

What ever your position on this issue do not fool yourself or let any else fool you in to believing that these people come her for no reason or that we do not need them. I hope that this issue is resolved soon and for the best for our country and for out friends across the boarder. Peace and Love to All of You and God Bless America.

51. about 1 year ago JeffCon wrote:

If we make it impossible for ILLEGALS to earn a living here, they will leave. If we need guest workers, let them come legally. But we do not need more members of LaRaza or Mecha or Aztlan in here to undermine our country and its laws.

To all employess of our gov't, especially our elected officials. YOU TOOK AN OATH, ENFORCE THE LAW!! IF YOU CANNOT, RESIGN AND SOMEONE ELSE CAN TAKE THE JOB WHO WILL.

52. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

giovanna:
I don't buy drugs, any one that does deserves to go to jail. I don't want these drug dealers and gang members in my town and in my court system. I don't want to pay for their lawyers, or pay to house them in our jails.
I don't have answers for those people, responsibility for their Govt. is on their shoulders not mine. I am still paying off my son's college loan I don't want to pay for their children's education. I can't afford to go back myself!
I don't want to pay for their emergency room visits because they don't pay their bills!
I am not heartless, but I don't want the United States become a 3rd world country.
We cannot take on millions and millions of people. They come legally or they go.......

53. about 1 year ago Teejay03 wrote:

I wasn't aiming my remark towards anyone in particular, I just meant I don't care if anyone calls me one because I don't want amnesty for any of them. Any other country, that's not how its done. You have to earn your way & learn the language like everyone else or get the hell out

54. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

teejay:
But have Americans' not been taught our whole lives that we are supposed to hold out our hand? I just can't accept the fact that because their are people in this country that uses drugs I am responsible and must let these people who have already broken our laws stay and deplete our public resources. How many of our factories moved to Mexico back in the 80's and 90's?
And also the violence IS spilling over into our border towns. So it isn't just happening in Mexico..

55. about 1 year ago Rocky19388 wrote:

My feeling is that we have Laws stating what is right and wrong. These Laws should be enforced PERIOD. Until they are enforced, what good does it do to make new Laws>

56. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

rocky:
It is the govt.s' way of throwing the American people a bone..they pass other laws so we think they are doing something.

57. about 1 year ago giovanna wrote:

I do agree about the language. I think that English should be the official language and anyone below a certain age should have to learn it to become a citizen.I also want to say that we are not every other country that is what has always set us apart from the rest of the world. I have always been proud of my country because of this.

58. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

Enforce the current laws. Plain and simple...

59. about 1 year ago kennesawcarol wrote:

Adding my own two cents......WELL WHAT ARE YOU ALL GOING TO DO ABOUT THIS? Are you going to vote out the incuments from your state? Are you willing to do your research and support candidates who support our constitution. Far to often we complain about another states congressman but not our own. I live in Georgia, we have two senators who voted against closure, they had started to support the bill before congress, but then they remembered that this state will vote you out in a heartbeat. I personally think far to many people think the democrats came into power because people liked what they were saying, I think just the opposite, we let them in to scare the republicans. Problem is, it didn't work. We still have the status qou. I say we start taking the white shoe polish and write on our back windows 'VOTE THEM ALL OUT'. When they no longer sit in power we will be better off. This country needs to put a lot of what the federal government has been doing back into the states hands. That is how our nation was born, as a republic, not a democracy.

We cannot deport the immigrants. But we should bring back out soldiers from the world we police and protect all our borders. Yes we start with Mexico but lets not forget that the attorney with TB crossed over from Canada. And then we start acting like our parents. We save our money, we buy american. The internet gives us so much power, but our pockets give us much more. When I walk in and the staff is speaking in a foreign language, I walk out.

We can talk about this all day long, but actions speak louder than words......so tell me, what are you all actually doing about this? Email, good. Actual letters even better. Tie up their fax machines. Call their staff and pester them. And if they keep on misbehaving.....VOTE THEM OUT. SAY NO TO INCUMBENCY!!! Georgia votes them out, but some states keep on sending the same ones back year after year......

60. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

kennesawcarol :
I agree with you that we need to stay on top of our Reps. I do this constantly. I don't agree that we can't do anything about the illegal population, we have laws on the books. We need to enforce them. I also agree that our Troops need to come home. It is long past time!

61. about 1 year ago chrobo56 wrote:

I do not want to exclude any law abiding human being from the opportunity to make legal entry into this country. I do have difficulty with hordes of people flooding into this country without regard to the laws of the land to which they are emigrating. We are a country based on the rule of law and citizenship requires obeying those laws. Criminals, for instance, lose their right to vote. Why should we reward those who have come here with total disregard to our Constitution? That having been said, however, I also do not propose that we have a mass round up of the millions who are already here. I do, however, think that they ought to be required to make themselves legal. Those who do not come forward in such a manner ought to be then turned in and deported.

This country has largely been built with the labor of immigrants but immigrants who have chosen to arrive here legally, to follow the rule of law and who have eventually added their distinctiveness to our culture but who have also chosen to accomodate themselves to the traditions and heritage of the United States. We are all richer for the legacy of our legal immigrants and I urge our governement to find a way to help thjose who want to stay here to do so legally. Those who do not want to make that effort ought not to be allowed to stay here. Make yourself legal or leave.

62. about 1 year ago Barbee1955 wrote:

I feel very strong about illegals coming into America, I think "illegal" says it all. I have nothing against anyone coming into our country if they are going to abide by our laws, that means going about it the right way. If we let people from Mexico come here illegally how can we say no when it comes to other immigrates trying to come here illegally from other countries. I guess what I'm saying is where is the line drawn and why have laws if there not going to be followed. I have a brother in law who is from Italy, he worked very hard to get his citizenship, why shouldn't everyone else?

63. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

Barbee1955:
You are exactly right! There is no reason for the illegals to jump ahead in the line. It just frustrates me when some are ready to throw in the towel.. We simply can't afford to do that-now or ever!

64. about 1 year ago NWlifedancer wrote:

Illegal is just that NOT LEGAL. This means those people are here against the law. They are criminals. Send them baack home. And theyare not all Mexican or from Latin America. Some are our ememies infultrating though our unsecure borders. If these people found no jobs, housing, free schools for their children, free medical, etc; they would have no reason to keep coming. We need to gather them up and make them come the way many of our own ancesters came, through legal channels. Our crops will be harvested by Americans and legal immigrant workers who will be paid a decent wage. Our food might cost us more, but in the long run we will be ahead of the game financially because our schools, hospitals and other social programs would not be burdened by illegals.

65. about 1 year ago NWlifedancer wrote:

Illegal is just that NOT LEGAL. This means those people are here against the law. They are criminals. Send them back home. And they are not all Mexican or from Latin America. Some are our ememies infultrating though our unsecure borders. If these people found no jobs, housing, free schools for their children, free medical, and other free social programs, they would have no reason to keep coming. We need to gather them up, send them back home, and make them come the way many of our own ancesters came, through legal channels. Our crops will be harvested by Americans and legal immigrant workers who will be paid a decent wage. Our food might cost us more, but in the long run we will be ahead of the game financially because our schools, hospitals and other social programs would not be burdened by illegals. Also those people wanting American citizenship should learn English. That is our language. We should stop putting up signs and documents in other languages. If I were to move to non-English speaking country I would strive to learn the language of the people.

66. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

NWlifedancer:
Excellent points, thank you for the post!

67. about 1 year ago Goldbug36 wrote:

They say our Congressmen and Senators are la creme de la creme. Sorry, guys, but when I watch you in action on C-Span, I am inclined to be frightened. I cannot believe the insanity that comes from the mouths of our elected servants. Indeed, none of them deserve re-election, and that's what this immigration thing is about - millions of new voters for the purveyors of goodies and freebies. We would be better off if Congress took a permanent vacation; at least, they wouldn't be passing stupid bills and spending taxpayers' money.

Anyway, about illegal immigration, whatever happened to the immigration requirement that one must have a sponsor who guarantees for two years that the immigrant will be gainfully employed and no end up on the social services roles??? I married an immigrant from Denmark, and that was a requirement in the 1950s and 1960s. It was a good thing.

Perhaps we should use the laws of Mexico when dealing with illegal Mexican immigrants, or whichever country they come from. No country allows you to just walk in and stay. And no country drops their native tongue and speaks English when they see you coming. We are not alone with the illegal immigration problem; Europe has land bridges to many third-world countries, and they are about to sink from their problems. Defenders of illegals, try to move to any other country illegally and get a job! Try to buy a home. You're lucky if you are allowed to leave with your belongings.

68. about 1 year ago notime4u wrote:

I believe that we are all forgetting that our ancestors came to this great land and were required to register. What's more disturbing is that they will be able to cash in on social security, which by the way took me over fours years and many appeals to finally qualify. The will be able to qualify for many of the public assistance programs that we offer through our tax dollars. They have had access to our health care even being illegals. I just now qualified for state funded insurance, that took two years. I stopped taking several of my medications for almost two years since I had to pick the ones that would keep me alive now and get rid of the ones that would only do damage later. Open your eyes all of you americans out there that think what our goverment is proposing is great. You will all regret it later, but too late! I am not a racists in any way shape or form. I have two grandchildren that are one half Mexican. I have a nephew who is half black. Also, three nieces that are half oriental. I love them all, but they are legal. They've earned the right to be called american. We've contributed many a tax dollar for our families and it is predicted to run out in the future. It's going to run out much faster if this proposal is passed.

69. about 1 year ago fuzzball68 wrote:

If an American citizen breaks a federal law, they are prosecuted and sentanced. We do not recieve amnisty; nor are we handed a get out of jail free card. We do not recieve free medical care, free education, free school lunches, spanish speaking teachers paid for by American tax dollars, or free social services of any kind. If they want the same rights we have, then they should understand one of the laws of physics; that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. ACTION: Break a federal law by entering this country illegally. EQUAL AND OPPOSITE REACTION: Deportation when caught. Do not pass go, do not collect $200.00..........

70. about 1 year ago kannuc wrote:

Reality is that we need immigrants, legal or not, to pay for every member of Eon's future social security. Just like Europe, without immigration we have a negative birthrate. Unless we want Medicare and Social Security to grind to a halt, we had better open up those borders to let in some taxpayers.

Most of the folks who come here are young and hardworking just like the wave of immigrants to arrived here in the early twentieth century, where would this country be without them?

71. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

kannuc:
Oh I forgot-- we are all dying off because of old age, and Bush is killing the younger generation off in the Middle East! So SOMEBODY has to move in and take over!!!

72. about 1 year ago shotgunpointer1 wrote:

Immigration and the " Reformation Bill" are indeed a rather nasty subject. America as we know it was founded by those who came here seeking a new way of life. That group and its descendants led to the formation of our country. They established a Nation Ruled by "Law". We are now faced with an Invasion of this Nation. Without some " corrective Action" we the Middle Class are going to litterally be bred out of existance and pushed aside. The ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT is the invader. I don't care if you are a Mexican a Chinese an Arab or a Eastern European if you are here ILLEGALLY you are a CRIMINAL. In commiting that CRIMINAL ACT you are no longer entitled to the fruits of your crime that is to say you are noty entitled to Social Security or any service that a LEGAL CITIZEN is entitled to. Since your CRIMINAL Act tainted your actions after the act.
Most of us are at least 1 or 2 generations from LEGAL IMMIGRANt stock who often came here after prolonged waits to receive LEGAL STATUS. I find it hard to believe that our Politicians are so insulated from simple facts that they are failing to HEAR US. WE WANT Laws that CORRECT THIS PROBLEM . Not REWARD THE CRIMINALS. This may sound hard but it really is not ENFORCE THE LAWS. DO NOT let Business dictate the " NEED" Cheap Labor. Protect the Americans that work and the Citizens that are Law Abidding. The bottom line here is simlpe if this INVASION will Destroy the MIddle Class. If it becomes necessary to place Tarrifs on goods to keep America and American workers and farmers safe DO SO. We all like to live well and can adjust to a more expensive Head of Lettuce ( Look at Gas Prices) but to try to "Draw the Americans into Equality with the World Market" is not only a lie but is insulting. Americans are the most productive work force in decades but they are also the ones who consume the products.

73. about 1 year ago Zotzic wrote:

Kannucgirl is worried about social security and medicare and thinks expanding our population with illegals is the way to fund that. I wonder how she would feel if her solution turned her community turned into a Los Angeles type barrio ruled by gangs. There have been some studies recently that indicate that the tradeoff of having an illegal family here costs the taxpayer the equivalent of a buying a new ford mustang for each year the family is here. Our current tax base can't support such largesse. How is that going to save social security?

Negative population growth is in fact good for the planet and for our quality of life. Our economy and the world's economy is based on the Ponzi scheme of increasing growth to fund past obligations. There is now a movement starting to look at ways to develop a sustainable world based on a sustainable economy. Kannucgirl's solution will not save our social security, it will only hurry us toward becoming a third world country with zero social security or medicare.

74. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

Zotzic:
Excellent Post! But some here sound like they are willing to sit back and hope it gets better! Wake up people please! EMAIL your REPS. today! Don't let this happen to future generations!

75. about 1 year ago Graycloak wrote:

PtJeffersongirl....By now you may know that the Senate has voted 64-35 to continue debate on S 1639, the amnesty bill. Sen Reid is rigging it so only the amendments he wants will be debated and voted on, those of course will be pro-amnesty not pro-security amendments.

I don't know about Eons but I think they will stay out of the fray and not forward this blog to congress. However, there are several organizations that are fighting this bill. One of the best is NumbersUSA.com. I suggest you all go there, they can help you get your views across to your senators and now your congrsssmen.

I have given up on my senators from Florida. I am working on other senators and representatives. NumbersUSA.com provides information on which ones are on each side, which ones need encouragement and which ones are a lost cause so you don't waste your valuable time.

Those of you who are sitting on the sidelines just watching this pass by may be very sorry. If you wait for George to do it, George may not be enough. Your e-mail, fax, phone call may be the one that wins this battle or loses the battle if you don't participate.

76. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

Graycloak:
I have been a member of that site for a long time, I have been emailing regularly! Anyone who hasn't done it please please do!
Thanks Graycloak!

77. about 1 year ago estoban wrote:

Graycloak, I too have given up on my 2 Arizona Senators for this bill, but they have 5 years and 3 years left in their respective terms. I intend to be a Saguaro spine in their side on a regular basis until they're out of office. Keep your voices loud and burn this rubbish Shamenesty bill to ash.

78. about 1 year ago kennesawcarol wrote:

If you all check the senate voting record you will find only a handful of states where both senators voted nay.....so be proud to live in one of them, Georgia ....I am. And hats off the the states like Texas, Oklahoma, Montana, Alabama, West Virginia, Tennessee and Louisiana, who also had both senators vote nay.

79. about 1 year ago estoban wrote:

Go ahead and rub it in kennesawcarol LOL!

While the best Senators money can buy are trying to ram this amnesty bill down our throats I saw a simple solution to the illegal immigration problem on a friend's blog.

1. Dig a deep ditch from California to Texas.

2. Use the dirt from the ditch to raise the levees in Louisiana.

3. Fill it with water and alligators from Florida.

80. about 1 year ago kennesawcarol wrote:

Not to worry estoban, we still have to get it by the othe half of the house, and those are the ones who are looking at re-election in only one or two years.

81. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

kennesawcarol:
Thank you for a little ray of sunshine in a world of uncertainty..
pt

82. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

Hopefully our Senators will take a stand today for their constituents at home. BTW, the American Bald Eagle has been taken off the endangered species list, can we say the same for the American Middle Class?

83. about 1 year ago Graycloak wrote:

We just won this battle, the amnesty bill has been stopped! But, be wary, this dragon is wounded, not dead, it will be back for another battle.

84. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

graycloak:
And we will still be here to fight that dragon! It's a start!

85. about 1 year ago Graycloak wrote:

Right, now if they will only listen to us and get that darn border secured first, and soon.
Then we can discuss the rest. I'm afraid to hear on the news that some city has been attacked with a chemical, biological or nuke weapon from some people who entered illegally.

86. about 1 year ago estoban wrote:

Give yourselves a pat on the back! The people's voice was heard over the jingle of corporate gold. Now grab your Claymores, the best is yet to come.

87. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

graycloak:
Yes we need to secure our borders, go after employers, cut off any public aid to the illegals, and their paychecks.

88. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

estoban:
Claymores are in my back pocket!! WOO HOO!!!!!!!!!!!

89. about 1 year ago Zotzic wrote:

It is important for us to continue to make our voices heard and heard loudly. Illegal supporters march en masse as a horde of thousands, waving Mexican and Marxist flags and demanding, demanding, demanding. No reciprocal response with any meaningful numbers has ever occurred. This needs to change. We need to educate our fellow citizens and fence sitters on the adverse impacts and we need to keep the memory of those politicians who tried to screw us over this issue and make sure they do not get re-elected.

It is this simple: If you are a politician that votes the interest of middle-class Americans you are actively against illegal immigration; If you are a politician that votes for special ethnic or business interests you are for "comprehensive immigration reform."

90. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

zotsic:
I don't know but looks like things could get really ugly! God help us all!

91. about 1 year ago oppy52 wrote:

Don't feel that way, I was Legal immigrated to the US and became a citizen, many years ago. I had to learn English, I didn't see signs in "Polish", my parents struggled but learned the language. Remember one word that our elected officals do not understand, Illegal! If that immigration bill passed that entitled 12-20 million immigrates to social security benifits, which would put the system 2 Trillion dollars in the hole. Our children will never see S.S.?
Suggested reading: " Fairtax" Neal Boortz It makes sense, comment sense is missing from our government.

92. about 1 year ago Barbee1955 wrote:

This was sent to me:

conversation between a Customer and Bank of America


Bank: This is the Bank of America, can I help you?

Customer: Yes, I want to cancel my account. I don't want to do business with you any longer.

Bank: May I ask why, sir?

Customer: You're giving credit to illegal immigrants and I don't think it's right. I'm taking my business elsewhere.

Bank: Well, Mr. Customer, we don't want to see you do that, but we can't stop you. I'll help you close the account.
What is your account
number?

Customer: (gives account number)

Bank: For security purposes and for your protection, can you please give me the last four digits of your social security number?

Customer: No.

Bank: Mr. Customer, I need to verify your information, but in order to help you, I'll need verification of who you are.

Customer: Why should I give you my social security number? The reason I'm closing my account is that your bank is issuing credit cards to illegal immigrants who don't have social security numbers. You are targeting that audience and want their business. Let's say I'm an illegal immigrant and you've given me a credit card. I have a question about it and call for assistance. You wouldn't be asking me for a Social Security number, would you?

Bank: No sir, I wouldn't.

Customer: Why not?


Bank: Because you would have pressed '2' to speak in Spanish. We don't ask for that information when calling in on the Spanish line.

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93. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

I KNOW IT'S TRUE!!! We need to get rid of illegal aliens'! WRITE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

94. about 1 year ago Barbee1955 wrote:

I believe we all need to flood our Senators, Congressmen, Governors and anyone else in power and let them know how we feel. If enough people will take a stand something well have to be done. With next year being an election year it's a good time to start putting the pressure on our officials. We need to also be careful who we vote for, study and see how they have voted in the past on this issue...because as you well know they'll say anything now that their runing for Office.

95. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

Barbee:
Wait and see what happens this next election! It is early now, but I can tell you the tide is swaying for American Citizens! You watch! WE WILL CHANGE THE ILLEGAL COURSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerri

96. about 1 year ago PtJeffersongirl wrote:

Barbee:
TRUST ME!!!!!!!!!!!!
Jerri

97. 6 months ago mjera wrote:

I was going to put my 2cents in, but after reading all the threads I think you all have very good points. It is time to take action and quit talking about it. Obviously this is one issue the Feds will have to address. We have been too lax on entry into this country and were bit in the butt with 911. Aren't any off you stilll angry about that?

If I missed something about illegal,i'm sorry but doesn't the act of coming here illegally,and getting caught,isn't that against the law. Further time and again we are asked by these foreign speaking folks,legals and illegals,if we speak their language becuz they haven't learned English.What the Hey!
If we were in their homeland we would be expected to learn not only the language but also the culture.

No, I'm sorry America we have to stop all this non essential foregin policy spending and take care our own people. It is high time we start to hammer at our reps in all levels of government to stop this insane behavior and give back America to Americans.

It is time for change in America.Whether we do it through the voting in November or through our elected reps we must keep on this issue so it does not get swept under the rug.