While perusing popular forums here on Eons.com, I read a post denouncing a certain "Bible thumper." My immediate reaction was to mouse my way to the "Report Abuse" button. How dare anyone revile the tome I treasure! But on second glance I saw that the offender was referred to as "her," thus not likely me (this is no menopause mustache on my lip). Nevertheless, it made me stop and think. Maybe I need a bumper sticker that says "How's my witness?"
Since my earliest days (or daze) as a Christian, I have been a student of the word (and a disciple of The Word). From the beginning, I have been persuaded that getting others to read the Bible was one of the best things I could do. So I've looked for ways to point people to that wellspring of living water and tried to be the salt that makes them thirst. From time to time in my college and seminary years, I passed through the library and found the huge world globe turned so that someone could study the southern hemisphere. I would then leave a note saying simply "Acts 17:6" (looks like I did it again). ;-D
In that same period, I went with a carload of college classmates to the Urbana Missionary Conference. Departing the afternoon of Christmas 1976, we passed through Greenville, SC, on our way to the Interstate and points north. While stopped in traffic in the midst of the city, we were spotted by some "preacher boys" (aka, Bible beaters and Scripture screamers), no doubt from the local ultra-conservative Bible college, who loudly proclaimed we were on the road to perdition. I quickly rolled down the window and said, "No, we're on our way to a missions conference." The preacher was unpersuaded and continued his tirade. Unfortunately, our Bibles were packed in the luggage, so we could not show a "passport." We had joined the ranks of the thumped.
A couple of years ago at our denomination's annual meeting, a former Moderator and then President of our college made a marvelous speech on "finding the friction point," the place where Christian values engage the popular culture in ways that produce more light than heat. Our immediate reaction was to form a committee (we're Presbyterians, can you tell?) to study and report back. They're still meeting, occasionally leaving some interesting notes on our office whiteboard, though no official report yet. But they'll keep striving, and so will I, to find that point of contact. I want to avoid being like the "preacher boy" who thought he was the mouth of the body of Christ. God, grant me ears that hear, that I might engage in debate, not diatribe. Hey look! There's a Leave a comment link on this thing. If you click it, I promise to think (and pray) twice before hitting the Report Abuse button.
Pressly



posted by Kaui
You write very well Pressly.
It is interesting to me that your first thought was in defense of the Bible thumper on Eons, mine was not. My thoughts below:
A number of years ago when I had a second job as the health minister of my church, there was a gentlemen in our town who would roller blade to the park with his three step pulpit. He would set it up and stand tall on top, with his Bible in the air, screaming doom and gloom to anyone within ear shot. I know most hearing him thought, oh dear, another wacko in town.
My thoughts were of a sadness, knowing this fellow had reached a point where he was trapped in guilt. These folks, irritating as they are should only have our sympathy. Each screaming tirade is one of calling for help from God. If I yell loud enough I will feel better and God will hear me.
As another person on Eons has said, there are many paths to finding spirituality to finding God. The Bible thumper is only one. You and I took different paths, the Bible thumper is still searching his way.
My job with the church showed me how Christians struggle with life. Living within the confines and dogma of the church provides a continuity, a holy place to pray, however each person still must find God personally, on his own.
Tolerance of those in pain, like the Bible thumper, is where I am...now what I really get upset about is the all caps,YELLING, I’m still working on that one. ;-)
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posted by annielf
How would you feel if a Hindu, Muslim, Pagan, Buddhist, Atheist came knocking on your door to tell you that what they believe is right, and what you believe is wrong? You wouldn't be too happy, would you?
FYI:
Christianity: 2.1 billion
Islam: 1.3 billion
Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
Hinduism: 900 million
Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
Buddhism: 376 million
primal-indigenous: 300 million
African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
Sikhism: 23 million
Juche: 19 million
Spiritism: 15 million
Judaism: 14 million
Baha'i: 7 million
Jainism: 4.2 million
Shinto: 4 million
Cao Dai: 4 million
Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
Tenrikyo: 2 million
Neo-Paganism: 1 million
Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
Scientology: 500 thousand
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posted by yahoodie
I don't like door to door relgious salemen either. But then I don't think anyone is a Christian unless they truly practice what they preach every day in every way. The only real problem with Chritianity ios that so few really practice it.
I guess you're right about other religions too. Car bombing your neighborhood because you don't believe exactly the way I do is far preferable to knocking on your door and giving you literature.
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posted by annielf
Of the 22 religions above how many bomb? 2?
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posted by annielf
Door to door can be ignored, but when I lived in Knoxville I'd have people come up to me on the street, in the grocery store, waiting in a doctor's office, or on the job. I've was screamed at by a young guy when my reply to his 'Jesus loves you' was that I'm not a christian. He walked away screaming at me to worship my buddha or pagan godesses, or whatever I believed, but I'd be going to hell. That is abuse. I guess you'll tell me he wasn't a real christian either?
The point is, that no other religion has their 'flock' trying to convert others. (some) Christians are the only ones arrogant enough to do that.
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posted by Pressly
After years of study, I do not find in the New Testament any endorsement of violence on the part of believers. In fact, on the occasion of Jesus' arrest, just hours before His crucifixion, the Apostle Peter, having a sword, "struck the servant of the high priest and cut off his right ear. But Jesus said, 'No more of this!' And he touched his ear and healed him." Jesus not only forbade the use of violence in His own defense, He took the time to mend the wound made on His behalf. In the rest of the New Testament, the disciples often met with violent resistance, though I cannot recall an occasion when they responded in kind.
Let us, too, then say, "No more of this!" and be done with violence. "So then let us pursue what makes for peace and for mutual upbuilding."
Pressly
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posted by yahoodie
I'm sorry you had bad experiences with Bible Thumpers in Knoxville, but they are most unrepresentative of Christians in general. My relationship with a higher spirit is personal and I don't expect anyone else to accept my beliefs and I don't proselytize. If you look for only bad you will find it. If you are open to everything you will find many things.
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